[hamiltonguyo]

does speration of church and state mean I'm not allowed to be Christian in public?

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35420

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17397

I don't have much time to finish this post... I will post more later...

[Robair]

hamiltonguyo hamiltonguyo:

does speration of church and state mean I'm not allowed to be Christian in public?

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35420

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17397

I don't have much time to finish this post... I will post more later...

Who decided we need to protect kids from learning anything about religion?

Why does society feel the need to baby kids on that level?

So the kid wants to say a prayer, to herself, at school. So what? The largest affect it can have is generating conversation between that child, and children who don't know anything about what she is doing. And getting in trouble for reading a bible in public? What is that about???

"God is good" is not hate speach. I don't care who says it, a christian or a muslim etc etc. "Kill the infidel" is a different story.

That add, also, was not anti-gay, or inciting violence as near as I can tell. Didn't see it, just read about it in the article. It was anti gay marriage. Voicing a position on a political topic. That's it.

Too many freaking lunatics setting policy in the west.

[fatbasturd]

Robair Robair:

hamiltonguyo hamiltonguyo:

does speration of church and state mean I'm not allowed to be Christian in public?

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35420

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17397

I don't have much time to finish this post... I will post more later...

Who decided we need to protect kids from learning anything about religion?

Why does society feel the need to baby kids on that level?

So the kid wants to say a prayer, to herself, at school. So what? The largest affect it can have is generating conversation between that child, and children who don't know anything about what she is doing. And getting in trouble for reading a bible in public? What is that about???

"God is good" is not hate speach. I don't care who says it, a christian or a muslim etc etc. "Kill the infidel" is a different story.

That add, also, was not anti-gay, or inciting violence as near as I can tell. Didn't see it, just read about it in the article. It was anti gay marriage. Voicing a position on a political topic. That's it.

Too many freaking lunatics setting policy in the west.

$1:

Too many freaking lunatics setting policy in the west.

You are absolutly correct.

[PluggyRug]

I'm an agnostic.
I was raised in a religious houshold. I went to church twice on a Sunday until 13.
Had religious classes in school.
Never did me any harm, taught me some good values.

[Tricks]

I was raised in a house where religion didn't matter. Never been to church. Never laid hands on a bible except to burn one when some guy tried to force it on me. Barely know the story of jesus/adam and eve or the 10 commendments. I hate the thought of following religion personally.

All that said, I do not care if someone else does it. If I saw someone praying, I would not think any differently of them. Its a belief, if you are saying that we can't express beliefs then we might as well just sew our mouths shut. I can respect people who follow religion with some common sense.

[Arctic_Menace]

Wow. That is a pretty stupid article. If someone wants to say a prayer or wants to thank God, I have no problem with that. Man, is that judge feeling alright?




PluggyRug, I was raised without religion in my life, but being from a French-Canadian family, I have alot of family members who are devout Roman Catholics. They taught me some good values, but then, so do alot of religions. Plus, values taught in church are usually common sense anyway.

[Wullu]

I am all in favour of the seperation of church and state, but the judge in the link above needs to take a pill and relax. If a kid wants to say grace before they eat then all power to them. I remember the first time I saw a sailor say grace at meal time. I was actually shocked. Grace for naval food? JK to all cooks out there!! I thought "good on ya" It is not everyone that would have done that. Sailors being sailors they will pick on anything and to give the guys their due they let him go about his way with nary a comment.

[Pissed]

yoga

[Virgil]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

I'm an agnostic.
I was raised in a religious houshold. I went to church twice on a Sunday until 13.
Had religious classes in school.
Never did me any harm, taught me some good values.

When my dad was a kid the good old church values he learned were that Metis were made for physical work and could not compete with White people, they were however superior to their fullblood Indian cousins. This isn't preached today, and so I have no problem with anybody else's religion. It's always the interpretation that causes people to do bad things.

People should be able to express and practice their beliefs in public unless they are hurting someone else, in wich case they should not be practicing unless with someone else who believes.

[Thematic-Device]

The article jumbles together cases of petty people in positions of authority attempting to use that authority (e.g. teachers punishing kids for praying), and legitimate questions of how seperate church and state are (e.g. kids punishing kids for not praying, kids being punished for not reciting 'under god' in the pledge, or federal funds being wasted on constructing massive religious monuments) in order to pass off absolutely idiotic legal reasoning.

"Regarding an establishment of religion" does not use the word establishment in the sence of "the act of establishing" the proper grammar if that were the case would be "Regarding the establishment of religion" since it is "an establishment" it refers to any established religion e.g. Christianity is an establishment of religion which has many subsets, for example the establishment of the catholic church is quite large.

This, and the pages of documents written by the founding fathers establish quite clearly that they oppose the federal government intervening in the slightest with religious matters. To create, as Thomas Jefferson said "a wall of seperation between church and state"

The complaint of many southerners that the founding fathers didn't oppose state religions (that is run by a state, not the state) is only partly true. Since while they didn't oppose, indeed some of them supported the states having their own religions, this all changed in the civil war (thats The "War of Northern Aggression" for anyone who didn't have a real US history course) when the US (after thoroughly winning) forced the south to sign the 14th amendment.

[Tman1]

You can be a Christian in public. Just as long as you aren't one of those bible thumpers sitting on benches preaching to people who walk by. (Never get enough of that walking to the mall.)

[Thematic-Device]

Tman1 Tman1:

You can be a Christian in public. Just as long as you aren't one of those bible thumpers sitting on benches preaching to people who walk by.

Thats fine... just so long as you aren't the mayor and your supposed to be on working when you do it.

[Tman1]

Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:

Tman1 Tman1:

You can be a Christian in public. Just as long as you aren't one of those bible thumpers sitting on benches preaching to people who walk by.

Thats fine... just so long as you aren't the mayor and your supposed to be on working when you do it.

Hmmmm ok.

[hamiltonguyo]

whats wrong with somebody preaching...unless everyone isn't allowed to use that place ie.musicians...

[Tricks]

Tman1 Tman1:

You can be a Christian in public. Just as long as you aren't one of those bible thumpers sitting on benches preaching to people who walk by. (Never get enough of that walking to the mall.)

I hate people like that