[Erinites]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Erinites Erinites:

Natives have always felt that things have been taken from them.
Perhaps this was so....

Thanks for telling me what I think.

Sorry if it came across that way.
Part of my childhood was spent on a reservation and for those that wanted to better the lifestyle,
there was the opposition with
constant rantings of "Taking back what is ours any way we can".
"Screw the Government."
etc...

Sorry Donny... after re-reading my post it did come across that way...

Erin.

[BeaverHatsAreWarm]

Regina Regina:

I've seen many bands do extremely well like the Ft. William band and there are others like White Dog that will need decades to fix.

Im from Whitedog. Yeah its pretty bad, but there is some good people in that place. Not saying u said there wasnt good people or anything. Just confirming what u said about it takin a while till we get our stuff together. I know alot of people having trouble(including family) just trying to get food for the kids. Just gotta get rid of the murders,suicides,teens gettin pregnant and solvent/alcohol abuse there....

But oddly enough, I cant wait till i go back to visit my family this summer, just to see how they are doing.

Luckily my mom decided to move out and get an education. Right now shes halfway to gettin her PHD in social studies, while havin other various degrees under her belt. But when shes done, she is gonna go back and try to help them.Same goes for me, Im gonna try to do some schooling so I can go back to help.
Its funny how someone said we get treated well.....thats not the case most of the time. Like my family, we had to leave the reserve to get with the rest of society, and we pay taxes and everything because we left.
Oh btw, found out yesterday we cant hunt all year round on the reserve land like ppl think we can. We got season rescrictions too!
But I know alot of ppl that still do it because its they're only source of income.
Also, sayin "u gotta get off your ass's and do something to help yourself" idea, is like releasing a house cat into the woods to defend for itself.
A little off topic, but its not only north american natives that go through this...Aboriginies in Australia are going through something similar....

Glad to see some others that live or lived on the rez, post on this board.

[Donny_Brasco]

Regina Regina:

I don't think they're as accountable as an off reserve business is. Don't forget that every other business in the country spends a good chunk of their money collecting and tracking PST and GST as well as the rest that goes along with owning a business.

Some shining examples of good corporate citizens are Enron, Air Canada, Jets Go, Bre-X, WorldCom, Groupe Action, The Liberal Party of Canada, Saskatchewan Progressive Conservitive Party...In Regina--The Auto Gallery, Captial Pontiac,

Your naivety makes me laugh. None of those companies needs to worry about their:
Fresh Water Supply,
Sewage,
Roads,
Schools,
Housing,
Welfare Payments,
Reports to the Government,
Child Care,
Social Development,
Land Claims,
Etc....Etc...Etc...

My father-in-law is a Chief and thank god because I see now that I'd never ever want to deal with all of that crap.

Imagine the headache of just building a school, never mind running it, staffing it, cleaning it, supplying it, and that’s just one item on the list.

My father owns a large fairly successful (aboriginal) business in the city, and sure enough he collects the taxes, but to say that he spends a "good chunk" of money doing it is misleading. He adds it to the bills, collects on his invoices and then totals up what taxes he collected and sends it to the gov't.

Its nice to sit there in your comfy little space of the world and throw rocks at other people. But if your really realized what kind of talent and dedication it takes to successfully run a nation, you'll see why sometimes things are not perfect.

People often forget about the 80% of the First Nations who are not having any problems. (Its something like 80% are good, 15% are under co-management, 4 % are in third-party and 1% are screwed - I'll check the numbers on that)

[-Mario-]

Keep in mind that this thread (pandora box) was started from another thread that had turned bad.
I think we are flogging a dead horse...

[Donny_Brasco]

BeaverHatsAreWarm BeaverHatsAreWarm:

I know alot of people having trouble(including family) just trying to get food for the kids. Just gotta get rid of the murders,suicides,teens gettin pregnant and solvent/alcohol abuse there....

But oddly enough, I cant wait till i go back to visit my family this summer, just to see how they are doing.

good point...

No one mentioned much about Residential Schools yet...all of those are symptoms of Residential School Syndrome, which is essentially Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (sleeplessness, self medication with drugs, booze or solvents, suicide, anger & rage etc...) and I'm willing to bet that a big chunk of that community are products of that system.

Some quick notes on Residential schools -

- Started in the mid 1800's to teach Indians the western ways and assimilate them
- Parents had no choice
- Often times schools were 100's of kilometres away from the children’s homes
- Many times kids would leave home at 5 or 6 or 7 and return home as young adults
- You were not allowed to speak your language or practice your culture
- Most residential school attendees suffered some sore of abuse (physical or sexual)
- an estimated 50,000 children died in residential school of disease, abuse or starvation
- The last federally run Indian residential school closed in 1996

So generations of people attended these schools (my ex-wife and my girlfriend both did and I'm 32). Today, amongst other things, our communities are struggling with the basic things in life. Simply raising a family, having spent 10 years in residential school, born from parents who spent 10 years in residential school, with grandparents who all went to residential school...the only generation actually raising their children fully is this generation.

So what’s is missing is the parenting skills that all of these generations lost because they were in residential schools being raised by pervert nuns and priests. Instead of learning how to be good parents, they learned how to abuse or deal with abuse.

Correct me if I am wrong, but today Residential School Syndrome affects 100% of the native population in Canada today, because if we didn't go to a residential school then one of our parents did, our our partner, our grandparents, aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers etc...

[Donny_Brasco]

-Mario- -Mario-:

Keep in mind that this thread (pandora box) was started from another thread that had turned bad.
I think we are flogging a dead horse...

Good point,

although they started out trying to kill off the Indians the Americans today actually treat their Native population better then the Canadians do.

They still have a long way to go, but most of tribes are in the dark ages compared to alot of the American Indians.

[PJB]

Donnie...What have you heard about Capital Pontiac in Regina...Just curious because we bought our van there.

The Residential School fiasco is a black mark on Canadian history that needs to be addressed. The problem is I don't think any amount of money paid out will ever heal the wounds caused to these young native children ripped from their homes and deprived of their culture. They say that time heals all wounds but I think these wounds are to deep for even time to heal.

There are far too many Aboriginal entrepreneurs in the country that are being held back by a system ripe with corruption. I don't know what the cure is but I know that the system as it stands now is just not working.

[Chigeeng]

Erinites Erinites:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Erinites Erinites:

Natives have always felt that things have been taken from them.
Perhaps this was so....

Thanks for telling me what I think.

Sorry if it came across that way.
Part of my childhood was spent on a reservation and for those that wanted to better the lifestyle,
there was the opposition with
constant rantings of "Taking back what is ours any way we can".
"Screw the Government."
etc...

Sorry Donny... after re-reading my post it did come across that way...

Erin.

seeking justice is dismissed as rantings. If I stole from you can I say "Oh for goodnes sakes get over it."

[Chigeeng]

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- an estimated 50,000 children died in residential school of disease, abuse or starvation
[/quote]

A while back I came across a statement by someone involved with administering the Residential School system. I can get the exact attribtion if you'd like.
(paraphrased to the best of my recollection) If our soldiers sufferred the same rates of mortality in wartime someone would be held criminally responsible.

[Chigeeng]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

-Mario- -Mario-:

Keep in mind that this thread (pandora box) was started from another thread that had turned bad.
I think we are flogging a dead horse...

Good point,

although they started out trying to kill off the Indians the Americans today actually treat their Native population better then the Canadians do.

They still have a long way to go, but most of tribes are in the dark ages compared to alot of the American Indians.

Canadians also complain about us wanting to expand our land base. It seems to be a horrifying thought yet one reservation in the southwest US encompasses more land than all the reserves in Canada put together.

[Erinites]

Chigeeng Chigeeng:

Erinites Erinites:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Erinites Erinites:

Natives have always felt that things have been taken from them.
Perhaps this was so....

Thanks for telling me what I think.

Sorry if it came across that way.
Part of my childhood was spent on a reservation and for those that wanted to better the lifestyle,
there was the opposition with
constant rantings of "Taking back what is ours any way we can".
"Screw the Government."
etc...

Sorry Donny... after re-reading my post it did come across that way...

Erin.

seeking justice is dismissed as rantings. If I stole from you can I say "Oh for goodnes sakes get over it."

The previously mentioned "opposition" were/was welfare bilkers.

Hard work,
determination and beleifs are what accomplish things.
Sitting around, "ranting" about a bad situation while targetting kids' head's with empties because the mail/check is late Resolves nothing!

There are better ways of stealing back.

[Chigeeng]

Erinites Erinites:

Chigeeng Chigeeng:

Erinites Erinites:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Erinites Erinites:

Natives have always felt that things have been taken from them.
Perhaps this was so....

Thanks for telling me what I think.

Sorry if it came across that way.
Part of my childhood was spent on a reservation and for those that wanted to better the lifestyle,
there was the opposition with
constant rantings of "Taking back what is ours any way we can".
"Screw the Government."
etc...

Sorry Donny... after re-reading my post it did come across that way...

Erin.

seeking justice is dismissed as rantings. If I stole from you can I say "Oh for goodnes sakes get over it."

The previously mentioned "opposition" were/was welfare bilkers.

Hard work,
determination and beleifs are what accomplish things.
Sitting around, "ranting" about a bad situation while targetting kids' head's with empties because the mail/check is late Resolves nothing!

There are better ways of stealing back.

My apologies and I agree, in the end, the only ones to help us up is ourselves
Now after having said that could you help me? You see I am as pure as the newly driven snow so heaven forbid that I should have any illicit designs. How do I go about ...uh... stealing back?

[Erinites]

Make something of yourself....

Prove em' wrong...

Throw it in their face and from time to time... once you have succeeded in all of this...

Throw a little salt in the wound...

In order to be heard... you have to be seen!

Media is a strong asset.

[Chigeeng]

-Mario- -Mario-:

Natives, for most of them, don't help themselves. I think it was in Winnipeg or Saskatoon, the had this brand new building to address problem for the natives-> "the peace center" , anyway the day after the inaugural, a journalist took a picture of two natives fighting on the front step of that same building. THat made the front page.
Natives don't to pay taxes... get money (income) from the Goverment; it used to be 18K a year about 15 years ago. I think that Natives don't treat natives very well and blame the Government for it.

Just my 2 cents...

If you show me how I can get my hands on my $18,000 you can come over here and help me spend it

[Donny_Brasco]

[quote="PJB"]Donnie...What have you heard about Capital Pontiac in Regina...Just curious because we bought our van there.
[quote]

They were taking trade ins and somehow the salesmen were scamming the business and re-selling the trade ins privately. I can't remember if they changed the name of that ourfit but i think it was called something else. It was a GMC dealership though.