[saturn_656]

Benoit Benoit:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Benoit Benoit:

It is a poor choice when you have to choose the least evils.

Maybe if the Liberals had some spine things would be different.

If you had a spine you would create your own political party.

Why would I do that? I'm not among those bitching about the way the Conservatives are running the ship.

[Benoit]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Benoit Benoit:

If you had a spine you would create your own political party.

Why would I do that? I'm not among those bitching about the way the Conservatives are running the ship.

To create something still better.

[saturn_656]

I'd never cut it in the political arena, politicians have to be able to effectively lie, cheat and steal.

I'm not ashamed to say that I'm good at none of those three things

[Benoit]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I'd never cut it in the political arena, politicians have to be able to effectively lie, cheat and steal.

Prejudices

[saturn_656]

Benoit Benoit:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I'd never cut it in the political arena, politicians have to be able to effectively lie, cheat and steal.

Prejudices

No, reality.

[Benoit]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Benoit Benoit:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I'd never cut it in the political arena, politicians have to be able to effectively lie, cheat and steal.

Prejudices

No, reality.

Reality is not self-defeating.

[Wally_Sconce]

"We will rollback the changes we could have prevented in the first place".

[Bruce_the_vii]

The Immigration Minister is being allowed to select needed immigrants and cap the application totals. This seems reasonable, neccessary. The people that are opposed to it are Immigration Lawyers who will find fault with any and all immigration legisilation but who the media will let run the debate.

If you look at the labour statistics for Canada what has been happening is there's an oil and gas boom but also a housing boom. Construction is up and it was alreay tight employment wise. So the industry, and I've seen the unions and workers advocate this, want skill construction worker immigration. As construction can be a bottleneck in the economy this makes a lot of sense. It also makes sense to let in some construction workers on temporary visas so they'll go back when the boom subsides. The construction industry is seasonal, project oriented and cyclical -- it's a tough row to hoe. Yet the Immigration Lawyers will pan all this as restricting some of their clients.

I note that posts here just follow the media response, that it's bad legislation.

[warwickgreen]

Scape Scape:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Scape Scape:

A confidence motion? So your saying we should have an election in July over this? Walking out was the only other option.

If they feel it's bad legislation they have a duty to oppose it. That's their job.

To what end if the result we both know will end up with yet another minority? We already had several elections in quick succession. Other than miring the whole process down even further what would that do in the service of the will of the Canadian people whatever side of the house they sit?

So all the Tories have to do is propose legislation that they know the Bloc and the NDP will oppose having total confidence that the Libs will never vote against something they disagree with for fear of causing an election?

Nice position for Harper to be in.

Next up will be Bill C-10.

[ridenrain]

$1:

"The fact they are not assuming their responsibilities is bad for democracy," said Bloc MP Paul Crete.

"This is a horrible day for immigrants across the country. It's a damaging, dangerous and deceptive bill," said NDP MP Olivia Chow. "How could it possibly be that they would let this pass? It's unbelievable. It's betraying the trust of ordinary Canadians."

Some Liberal MPs obeyed their leader's wishes not to bring the government down but were unhappy with Stéphane Dion's decision.

MP Jim Karygiannis, who represents a Toronto-area riding where 44% of his constituents arrived in Canada after 1981, argued unsuccessfully within his caucus that all Liberals should have voted against the legislation.

"Is this the right bill to bring the House down on? According to my constituents, yes. But I have to follow the leadership."

Where's the representation in that?
No wonder even the Liberal apologists are bailing.

[kenmore]

I dont support the torys and wouldnt vote for them ever! but i support them on this,, the only problem I have is that it could go further.. they should absolutely stop all immigration from the middle east... and do it today..

[PluggyRug]

kenmore kenmore:

I dont support the torys and wouldnt vote for them ever!

Thats what Mary said......

[kenmore]

ridenrain ridenrain:

These are the only Liberal MPs that voted.

Stephane Dion
Karen Redman
Maurizio Bevilacqua
Joe Volpe
Albina Guarnieri
Maria Minna
Ruby Dhalla
Navdeep Bains
Jim Karygiannis
Derek Lee
Raymonde Falco
Mauril Belanger
Gurbax Malhi
Dan McTeague
Sukh Dhaliwal
Andrew Telegdi
John Maloney

Shame, shame.

my you have such a massive grasp of politics.. political manouvering is an art.. what is the point of bringing these clowns down on something the liberals can change when they are in power... this bill is too controversial and it will kill the harper government in the end.. I support it.. but harper is going down.. too bad so sad eh ridenrain?

[Bruce_the_vii]

The Immigration bill is going to bring Harper down? Oh my. Maybe a pol like you read about it but I doubt the average person has any idea.

[Scape]

warwickgreen warwickgreen:

So all the Tories have to do is propose legislation that they know the Bloc and the NDP will oppose having total confidence that the Libs will never vote against something they disagree with for fear of causing an election?

Nice position for Harper to be in.

Next up will be Bill C-10.

That's it in a nutshell. All the bills being passed will be turned into election platforms for both sides. Right now Dion doesn't think he has enough ammo to make for a majority so he doesn't see a good cause to drop the writ... yet. Now he could and he has a shot at getting a minority himself as all it would take is just a few key ridings to go liberal but then he ends up in the same mess Harper has now. Not something I would be too excited about if I were him. So, we wait. Hopefully they will force an election before 2009.