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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:54 am
 


The NDP, led by Jack, are now demanding an emergency debate. This is revolting partisan politics.

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"Canadians support our soldiers over there, and their bravery, and their commitment to this country, but they also want to know that their elected representatives have thought it through," Mr. Layton said.


Let's all get in the way back machine for a second:

4. March 31st, 2006 - a soldiers death in combat now seems to be justification for the debate.

3. March 25th, 2006 - Jack Layton attempts to continue the myth that December 8th was news to the NDP and introduces another justification - the phantom "secret prisoner handover agreement".

2. December 8th, 2005 - Jack Layton issues a statement during the election that infers that this is the first time the NDP has heard of a 'new' deployment to Afghanistan.

1. In the period from May to November 2005 there was not one call for debate on Afghanistan from Mr. Layton and the NDP. This period happens to coincide with the time that the NDP was propping up Paul Martin's minority government. A 'Take Note' debate held on Afghanistan was attended by two NDP MPs, neither of which was Jack Layton.

The recent mentions of possible friendly fire is disturbing but in no way reduces the bravery, professionalism or resolve of the troops or the mission. I believe that any politicians that dwell on this are simply playing politics and should be sent on a fact finding mission to Kandahar.


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Jack Granatstein says it's time that Canadians--and journalists in particular-- keep their part by realizing what armies do.
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...It's Kandahar, Afghanistan, and the casualties, still few in number, are beginning to mount. Are Canadians ready for this war?

To ask the question, unfortunately, is to answer it. They're not. The military reporter for one big newspaper recently asked me if Canadians could cope with such casualties. "Is this our Vietnam?" he wondered. Opposition MPs, columnists, letter writers and bloggers all bemoan Canada's turn away from "traditional" peacekeeping, and blame this fact for the dead and wounded in what they perceive as just another of George W. Bush's wars.

You would almost believe that Canadians had never fought a war before, that they had not sustained 60,000 dead in the Great War, 42,000 in the Second World War, more than 500 in Korea, and an additional hundred in "traditional" peacekeeping operations. When a Syrian missile shot down a Canadian Buffalo aircraft on United Nations service in August 1974, there were nine servicemen killed, but there was scarcely any official or public attention paid to this terrible incident. But now, in Afghanistan, where 11 Canadians have been killed since 2002, Canadians notice.

Why? Why are the media, the politicians and the public so fixated on the Afghan mission? There are many reasons, including Canadians' unhealthy obsession with a mythic concept of "traditional peacekeeping." Of course, it is right and proper to be concerned with our men and women overseas, but a fuller understanding of why the Canadian Forces do what they do might help those at home: What no one discusses is the bargain soldiers strike with their government...

... When he enlists, the soldier accepts an arrangement of unlimited liability. He recognizes that his commitment to military service requires him to go where his government says and to do what it wants. It demands that he obey the orders of his military superiors, even if those orders put him into a situation where he might be killed or wounded. The soldier's job, willingly accepted, is to do his duty to his comrades and to serve his nation's interests.

But this is not a one-sided bargain. The national government implicitly undertakes not to put its sons and daughters into impossible situations. It pledges to equip them adequately, to train them for the challenges they will face, and to sustain them in operations with reinforcements of men and materiel. It also promises to care for them in perpetuity if they are wounded, to assist their family members, and to hallow their memory if they are killed...

Although the Canadians in Kandahar lack their own helicopters, National Defence Headquarters has demonstrated a willingness to buy critically needed equipment (German-made G-Wagons and South African-produced anti-mine vehicles, for example). And the Canadians' light armoured vehicles are top-of-the-line. The troops on the ground are also highly trained and very professional volunteers, possibly the best troops Canada has ever deployed. The government's side of the bargain in Kandahar has been met...

... there will be more killed and wounded.

Our governments know this. The Liberals who originally accepted the Afghan commitment and the Conservatives who have pledged to honour it understand what is at stake. In their considered judgment, the benefits to be gained by putting Canadian troops into Kandahar, the achievement of Canadian national interests, outweigh the risks. That is a hard calculation, and if the voters in Montreal and Musquedobit decide that the government got it wrong, the political price can be electoral defeat. It's up to ministers and MPs to explain that what the troops are doing in Kandahar matters, and if they fail in that task, they will pay the political price. But that is why we elect our leaders to make the tough judgment calls, to defend Canada, and to share the burdens of democracy with other free nations.

Many soldiers may not be politically sophisticated. But they clearly understand the basic equation: They will do Canada's dirty work and accept the blood and pain if their government and people back them up. If only our sophisticated Opposition politicians and media columnists had as much sense.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:22 am
 


Jack Layton is a pussy,this guy is what used to be called a yuppie.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:42 am
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
This is revolting partisan politics.


Like your Cons have never been guilty of partisan politics...

They didn't have a problem with Martin's budget until he added some stuff for Jack, then they tried to kill the government over it.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:51 am
 


So who's the pussy? the ones who propose a debate or the ones who are afraid of it?


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bootlegga bootlegga:
They didn't have a problem with Martin's budget until he added some stuff for Jack, then they tried to kill the government over it.


You guys were out of control.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:56 am
 


Jack Layton is a pussy, thats whos a pussy,I dont like the other guys all that much either,but jack just scares me,if he ever got into power we would be a third world country in a year.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:00 pm
 


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So who's the pussy? the ones who propose a debate or the ones who are afraid of it?
The time for debate and bitching is before you deploy your soldiers, not after they're there, and after a new party takes over.


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bootlegga bootlegga:
ridenrain ridenrain:
This is revolting partisan politics.


Like your Cons have never been guilty of partisan politics...

They didn't have a problem with Martin's budget until he added some stuff for Jack, then they tried to kill the government over it.
Nice deflection.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:13 pm
 


Any of you guys remember the left wing nut jobs during the Vietnam war?

It's happening again. 8O


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