[RoyalHighlander]

Well this is a new twist to the adscam scandal.. Now the PQ are involved too.. Looks l;ike the separatists are NOT ABOVE reproach either huh??? Lets see where this leads us to now..

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/EdmontonS ... 1-sun.html

Kickbacks to Grits, PQ

GREG WESTON, SUN OTTAWA BUREAU
OTTAWA -- A Montreal advertising firm that received over $40 million in Adscam sponsorship contracts paid huge kickbacks to both the federal Liberal party and the Quebec separatists, senior executives of the company have told Sun Media. "I remember seeing the cheques," one former Groupaction exec said of payments to the federal Liberal party in Quebec.

The man spoke on condition that he not be identified until he testifies at the Gomery inquiry sometime over the coming weeks.

The exec said the president of Groupaction, Jean Brault, made no secret around the company about where the kickback cash was going and for what.

"He spoke to me about it ... having to pay money back to the Liberal party" in return for contracts.

The $250 million in sponsorships that the previous Liberal government pumped into Quebec was supposed to help fight the separatists after the near-miss referendum in 1995.

But another former Groupaction executive, Alain Renaud, said that while the firm was getting millions of dollars in federal sponsorship money, it was secretly cutting cheques to the separatist Parti Quebecois.

Renaud said that in one transaction, a total of about $90,000 was given to the PQ as part of Groupaction's getting a $4.5-million advertising contract for the Quebec liquor board, called the SAQ.

Groupaction apparently won the contract in a competition when a bagman for the Parti Quebecois had a meeting with the firm's top executives.

One of those executives told Sun Media: "The bagman came by and said: 'Well, you won the bid, and all that's needed now is a signature, and the documents are on the minister's desk to be signed, and it's going to cost you 50 grand.' "

Renaud recalled about $45,000 a year in donations were to be paid to the PQ for two years. The money was funnelled through individual Groupaction employees to circumvent Quebec law which prohibits corporate political contributions.

Renaud said Groupaction president Brault was personally involved in the tollgating deal.

"I was there when he (Brault) was negotiating with the people of the PQ," he said.

Brault's testimony at the Gomery inquiry over the past week is under a publication ban and therefore cannot be reported

[RoyalHighlander]

Im sure that this will lead to much denying by certain people but even legends and tall tails have a basis in fact some where.. LMAO.. There will be no flaming here over this thread please folks.. Civil comments /(lol) or none at all..Im pasitive this will ruin the day of certain people who think the world revolves around the PQ and the separatist mouvement

[RoyalHighlander]

No one 'above the law' - PMhttp://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/EdmontonSun/News/2005/04/06/984416-sun.html
In a related article, here comes the back peddaling and white washing from the Liberals now...

[Beer]

Maybe the PQ.. but it doesnt matter.. they are as popular as the Liberals at 30%...

[Streaker]

$1:

OH MAN!!! This is getting more and more filthy by the second. Do you think that this puts the BQ in the hole?

Unfortunately, Godz, my guess is that the local media will gloss over the PQs involvement in this. And even if the media were to come down hard on the PQ, I doubt that it would have much of an impact on the Bloc. It will be interesting to see how this shapes up over the next few weeks...

[Gunbunny]

The PM has already started firing at the Bloc, the funny part is that the Bloc has nothing to do with this. He just going deeper and deeper into his hole as he tryes to hold onto power. I remeber Yoda saing something wise to luke that directly relates to this sort of situation. Canada .com so far has had the most neutral stories today, no swaying of the truth in either direction.

[_747]

We can cry over a few hundred million dollars, but I would like to see the gomery commission set its sites on the Conservaties. How did the conservatives drive the Country 500 Billion dollars in debt during their time in office Plus, we are still paying $40 Billion in Interest payments each year on this debt. How many brown envelopes can 40 Billion dollars fill I think Canadians want to know where this $500 Billion dollars went!! I would spend Billions to find out where every nickle of that money went. But that's me. Imagine if Gilles Diceppe Starts in on that, those conservatives will be running for their mammas.

[Cmmd]

The PQ don't get "Kickback". They had money from group-action yes! But Group-action did that, for get a new contract for SAQ, and the PQ didn't gave it. So the PQ, didn't us the money of Quebec ( they was the gouvernement ) for give it back to their PQ. They take the money of Group-action, and said " Thank You " lol and did NOT resing contract. So it's not like the Liberal of Canada, and maybe the liberal of Quebec.

So PQ did not Fuck ( here it's Crosser ) the people ! But Fuck Group-action ! when they did NOT reply to their "goodies" ( money )

[hwacker]

Cmmd Cmmd:

The PQ don't get "Kickback". They had money from group-action yes! But Group-action did that, for get a new contract for SAQ, and the PQ didn't gave it. So the PQ, didn't us the money of Quebec ( they was the gouvernement ) for give it back to their PQ. They take the money of Group-action, and said " Thank You " lol and did NOT resing contract. So it's not like the Liberal of Canada, and maybe the liberal of Quebec.

So PQ did not Fuck ( here it's Crosser ) the people ! But Fuck Group-action ! when they did NOT reply to their "goodies" ( money )

What are you talking about ?

When this is all over they will be tied to this(PQ), remember there is a couple more months of trial to go.


This should be called “Pin the Tail on the Dumbass Crook Politician”.

[JackD]

The PQ has never received a penny from the sponsorship funds. They did get money through some illegal schemes put in place by Groupe Action after Brault realized it worked with the Federal Government.
The electoral laws in Quebec prevents any company, corporation, labor unions or lobby group to finance a political party or a political candidate. Contributions must only come from individuals registered voters and any contribution in excess of $200. must be documented and eventually, are reviews by the election Auditor. Knowing his company (Groupe Action) could not cut a cheque to the PQ, asked (ordered?) each of his employee and members of management to make a personal donation to the PQ, up to the maximum allowed $3,000.
Brault then bragged about his employee's dedication to the PQ in order to get contracts from the provincial Government.
Goupe Action later reimbursed his employees for amount equal to their donations, plus any tax liabilities. This is highly illegal.
This is why the PQ is asking for the list of individual employees who falsely contributed to their party

[Cmmd]

JackD JackD:

The PQ has never received a penny from the sponsorship funds. They did get money through some illegal schemes put in place by Groupe Action after Brault realized it worked with the Federal Government.
The electoral laws in Quebec prevents any company, corporation, labor unions or lobby group to finance a political party or a political candidate. Contributions must only come from individuals registered voters and any contribution in excess of $200. must be documented and eventually, are reviews by the election Auditor.owing his company (Groupe Action) could not cut a cheque to the PQ, asked (ordered?) each of his employee and members of management to make a personal donation to the PQ, up to the maximum allowed $3,000.
Brault then bragged about his employee's dedication to the PQ in order to get contracts from the provincial Government.
Goupe Action later reimbursed his employees for amount equal to their donations, plus any tax liabilities. This is highly illegal.
This is why the PQ is asking for the list of individual employees who falsely contributed to their party

Exactly, and Breault did that for a "SAQ" ads contract. So he use his money ( who come from the liberals-federals ) for try to make more money ( with ass-lickin strategie ) but he did not get it. He lost his money ( and all canadians money who came from liberals-federals ). Because PQ was not corrupt !

[Lawndart]

dwaters dwaters:

The PM has already started firing at the Bloc, the funny part is that the Bloc has nothing to do with this. He just going deeper and deeper into his hole as he tryes to hold onto power. I remeber Yoda saing something wise to luke that directly relates to this sort of situation. Canada .com so far has had the most neutral stories today, no swaying of the truth in either direction.

747, that tired old criticism of the Mulroney PC's doesn't even come close to holding water. Your knowledge of history is a bit skewed to say the least!



Mulroney did spend billions. On social programs like UI (anyone out there remember how easy it was to get UI in the 80's?), Transfer payments (mostly to Quebec, the perennial have-not province), the Forces, infrastructure etc. But Mulroney was far more fiscally responsible than his predecessor, Pierre Trudeau. In fact, Mulroney tried to reign spending in, and was savaged by groups like the National Action Committe on the Status of Women and the Public Sector Unions. The irony is, that they worked overtime to defeat the PC's in 93, and the first thing Paul Martin did as finance minister when the Liberals took over was freeze public sector wages and cut NAC off totally. SUCKED IN! But I digress.



No, 747, you're way off. In the 60's Canada was run quite responsibly in a fiscal sense. It was in the early seventies under Trudeau, a Keynisian economist, that spending spiralled out of control.

[Lawndart]

_747 _747:

We can cry over a few hundred million dollars, but I would like to see the gomery commission set its sites on the Conservaties. How did the conservatives drive the Country 500 Billion dollars in debt during their time in office Plus, we are still paying $40 Billion in Interest payments each year on this debt. How many brown envelopes can 40 Billion dollars fill I think Canadians want to know where this $500 Billion dollars went!! I would spend Billions to find out where every nickle of that money went. But that's me. Imagine if Gilles Diceppe Starts in on that, those conservatives will be running for their mammas.

Sorry Dwaters, mistake. The quote I was referring to was from 747, as posted above.