[Regina]

China has NOTHING to do with it. You had them, you look after them unless you are in financial trouble! Add the price of tea in China and your point will be complete.

[Numure]

This is hole Liberal party idea is a yet again more Federal Government intrution into provincial affairs. This is whats wrong with this country. And all of you idiots bite into it like sheep.

[DerbyX]

Numure Numure:

This is hole Liberal party idea is a yet again more Federal Government intrution into provincial affairs. This is whats wrong with this country. And all of you idiots bite into it like sheep.

What would you say if Montreal told the provincial gov't to piss off out of all of its affairs and decided to govern itself on its own?

The feds should have contrlling interest in the country. People want childcare and blame the feds for any lack thereof but when they do something they scream about federal intrusion.

If you really hated gov't intrusion then you would be fore the gov't telling all families that their children are their problem and stay the hell out of any childcare.

[Numure]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Numure Numure:

This is hole Liberal party idea is a yet again more Federal Government intrution into provincial affairs. This is whats wrong with this country. And all of you idiots bite into it like sheep.

What would you say if Montreal told the provincial gov't to piss off out of all of its affairs and decided to govern itself on its own?

The feds should have contrlling interest in the country. People want childcare and blame the feds for any lack thereof but when they do something they scream about federal intrusion.

If you really hated gov't intrusion then you would be fore the gov't telling all families that their children are their problem and stay the hell out of any childcare.

Education is a provincial affair only by the constitution. The Liberals yet again ignore the constitution in implementing this program. If you want a day care program, go ask your provincial government for it.

We wanted one in Quebec, and got one from our provincial government.

Youre the one talking about unity, yet your pushing for a strong federal government. That exact thing that is fueling Seperatism all across the country.

[Elvis]

The interesting thing in this debate is that we can all thanks Pauline marois for this

If I remember correctly pauline Marois was the minister of Solidarité social in Québec and she was reforming the welfare system in Quebec to put people to work. Her plan work quite well except for one part of the demographic and those where single mom. So she came up with the 5$ a day day care program to help those single mom afford to work.

Isnt this ironic?

[DerbyX]

$1:

Education is a provincial affair only by the constitution. The Liberals yet again ignore the constitution in implementing this program. If you want a day care program, go ask your provincial government for it.

Then why are people blaming the feds for any lack of day care?

$1:

Youre the one talking about unity, yet your pushing for a strong federal government. That exact thing that is fueling Seperatism all across the country.

Yes. Our unity problems are a consequence of a weak federal gov't. So many people are under the mistaken impression that our federal gov't has massive power when it just isn't so.

The same people who bitch about federal intrusion would turn just as quickly and easily on provincial control when they haven't got the feds to blame anymore.

[Banff]

Numure Numure:

This is hole Liberal party idea is a yet again more Federal Government intrution into provincial affairs. This is whats wrong with this country. And all of you idiots bite into it like sheep.

Sad isn't it ? I'm just curious what would change with Cons or anyone party.

[Numure]

Banff Banff:

Numure Numure:

This is hole Liberal party idea is a yet again more Federal Government intrution into provincial affairs. This is whats wrong with this country. And all of you idiots bite into it like sheep.

Sad isn't it ? I'm just curious what would change with Cons or anyone party.

Harper seems to be willing. His hole platform is based on federal government powers given to it by the constitution. His plan for day care respects the abilities of the federal government without intruding on provincial affairs.

No one was looking towards the Feds for Daycare Derby, the Liberals Made it an issue.

And as for Pauline Marois starting it in Québec, I think its single positive thing she did for this Province. Except the 5$ daycare program (That liberals brought up to 7$), I hate her. And the sooner she is gone and out of Provincial politics the Better.

[Numure]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Yes. Our unity problems are a consequence of a weak federal gov't. So many people are under the mistaken impression that our federal gov't has massive power when it just isn't so.

Exactly! The Federal Government doesnt have massive powers and should of never of been allowed to jump in and take over provincial powers. They started invading Provincial Authority during WW2 and never stoped. The only ones holding head to the feds have been Québec and as of lately Alberta.

Unity Problems in this country have only started after the Federal Government became stronger. Not before. In the last 10 years of more Liberal Power mongering, Seperatism has grown in Quebec and new movements have spured in the west. So don't go blabing that a strong federal government would save this country, its already killing it.

[DerbyX]

Numure Numure:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Yes. Our unity problems are a consequence of a weak federal gov't. So many people are under the mistaken impression that our federal gov't has massive power when it just isn't so.

Exactly! The Federal Government doesnt have massive powers and should of never of been allowed to jump in and take over provincial powers. They started invading Provincial Authority during WW2 and never stoped. The only ones holding head to the feds have been Québec and as of lately Alberta.

Unity Problems in this country have only started after the Federal Government became stronger. Not before. In the last 10 years of more Liberal Power mongering, Seperatism has grown in Quebec and new movements have spured in the west. So don't go blabing that a strong federal government would save this country, its already killing it.

Bollocks. Seperatism is an emotional issue among people still thinking they were conquered by the english.

Seperatism, in case you missed it had its last peak in 95 which was before the current Liberals did anything other then cleanup the budget problems.

Lets do away with provinces all together and give powers directly to the cities. Why should a Montrealer have to be governed by some fuckwit from Quebec City. The sentiment is exactly the same. While lines should be drawn between provincial and federal boundaries we are all better off with shared programs. There is strength in numbers.

Quebec has so much power yet complains like a child throwing a tantrum.

[Scape]

Regina Regina:

China has NOTHING to do with it. You had you look after them unless you are in financial trouble! Add the price of tea in China and your point will be complete.

$1:

More than half the populations of Toronto and Vancouver would be made up of non-Europeans in 12 years.

Projections show that the vast majority of non-Europeans would settle in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal -- Canada's three largest urban areas -- with almost three-quarters residing in those metropolises in 2017.

Nationwide, the study shows that one out of every five people in Canada could be a member of a visible minority by 2017.

Data from past censuses show that between 1996 and 2001, the visible minority population grew at a rate of 25 per cent -- six times faster than the total population which increased at a rate of just four percent over that period.

This represents an increase of between 24 per cent and 65 per cent compared to 2001 levels.

Meanwhile, the non-immigrant population is projected to experience a much more modest growth rate of between four to 12 per cent over the same period.

The most important factor behind the growth rate in the visible minority population is sustained immigration, says the study, titled Population projections in visible minority groups, Canada, provinces and regions.

About 70 per cent of Canada's visible minorities were born outside the country in 2001.

Twelve years from now, Canada's immigrant numbers are expected to reach between 7.0 million and 9.3 million in 2017 and would account for 22 per cent of the population.

Big city breakdown

Toronto's non-European population would range between 2.8 million and 3.9 million in 2017, and would account for more than half the population of the metropolis.

More than one million of the city's minorities would be South Asian, and more than 735,000 Chinese.

This means more than half of Canada's South Asians and about 40 per cent of Canada's Chinese would be calling Toronto their homes in 2017.

In Vancouver, meanwhile, projections show that the Chinese will make up nearly half of the city's population.

The report is the result of a project started in 2004 by the Department of Canadian Heritage's Multiculturalism and Human Rights Program.

Non-Europeans to surpass 50% in big cities

Production for our economy will be from the major cities. We need skilled labour to run complex economies. Like it or not they are coming and in greater numbers, and we need them. Do you want our dependancy to become chronic?

[Numure]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Bollocks. Seperatism is an emotional issue among people still thinking they were conquered by the english.

Keep believing that, if you wish.

DerbyX DerbyX:

Seperatism, in case you missed it had its last peak in 95 which was before the current Liberals did anything other then cleanup the budget problems.

No, the last peak is right now. Wich is higher then it has ever been, even before the 1995 referendum. Check the polls on seperatism, theres been 1 each month for the past 10 years.

DerbyX DerbyX:

Lets do away with provinces all together and give powers directly to the cities. Why should a Montrealer have to be governed by some fuckwit from Quebec City. The sentiment is exactly the same. While lines should be drawn between provincial and federal boundaries we are all better off with shared programs. There is strength in numbers.

Because the constitution outlines powers for the federal government and the provinces. The federal government has always been the ones not the follow the rules. And they continue to do so year after year. The only ones complaining are Quebec and Alberta.

DerbyX DerbyX:

Quebec has so much power yet complains like a child throwing a tantrum.

Quebec use all its powers given to it threw the constitution. We fought for every once of it, and every Quebecers let it be federalists or not, want more provincial power and less federal intrusion. Go ask Charest, how much he loves Federal intrusion.

[DerbyX]

$1:

Keep believing that, if you wish.

Funny its the seperatists telling me this. Ask Quebecspock.

$1:

No, the last peak is right now. Wich is higher then it has ever been, even before the 1995 referendum. Check the polls on seperatism, theres been 1 each month for the past 10 years.

Anger at the federal Liberals is a far cry from peaked support. The polls only reflect a misplaced belief that less federal powers equal less government.

True seperation support ,like what we will force you to ask is below 30%. The majority want a bullshit "have your cake and eat it to" approach. Sooner or later they will have to make a choice and then the partitioning of Quebec will begin. You are deluding yourself if you think it won't happen.

$1:

Because the constitution outlines powers for the federal government and the provinces. The federal government has always been the ones not the follow the rules. And they continue to do so year after year. The only ones complaining are Quebec and Alberta.

Bollocks. Alberta's biggest beef is that the federal gov't spends all of its effort placating Quebec and Quebec seperatists cry like babies for no reason.

$1:

Quebec use all its powers given to it threw the constitution. We fought for every once of it,

Seperatists are the very worst of cowards who have never fought for a cause in their life. You said it all about WW1 and WW2, why should we fight for english masters ignoring the fact that we were freeing your home country and the one that abandoned you. French-Canadians fought, seperatists were always the people on the sidelines crying like children. You got nothing that the federalists didn't work for in co-operation with english Canadians.

$1:

and every Quebecers let it be federalists or not, want more provincial power and less federal intrusion. Go ask Charest, how much he loves Federal intrusion.

All the premiers want more power. That doesn't mean they deserve it. Go ask the mayor of Montreal to see if he wants more power and more say. I bet Montrealers, like every big city on Canada is none too happy about the fact that they pay more into provincial coffers then they get back.

Now its time for you to answer a few questions.

1) Do you think it is fair to force the native populations to join a seperate Quebec against their will? Will you acknowledge their right to choose?

2) Will you accept the democratic will of the people of the different regions/ridings of Quebec to determine their own destiny? (city boundaries and riding boundaries are just as much a political boundary as provincial boundaries.

3) What exactly will you do if these regions simply decide to ignore your new gov't and continue their association with Canada.

This is great. I can't lose. If you decide that you have the right to force them then you are acknowledging that Canada has the right to force you to stay. If you decide they have the right to stay with the ROC then we win again because Canada retains all the best people and parts of Quebec and rids itself of people who are slightly less then dingleberry's.

You decide.

[Regina]

Scape Scape:

Production for our economy will be from the major cities. We need skilled labour to run complex economies. Like it or not they are coming and in greater numbers, and we need them. Do you want our dependancy to become chronic?

What ever.......

[Scape]

Just the beginning

Seems the Chinese vote is getting attention. Might want to explain to them what 'what ever' means.

Let's put it another way, what party do you see drastically shutting down immigration levels and proposing incentives for Canadian families to have more children? No matter what happens between now and 2017 our top three cities will be a majority of minority and over 1/5 of the total population of the country will be from other countries. That is the reality we are facing and the tempo of growth for them is far in excess to what the domestic numbers can produce.

If you have a growing economy (and our will be booming for as long as energy is a commodity) then we will need more and more people to run it. I would like the growing opportunities go to Canadian families 1st and then augment that with immigration as required. Most of the key jobs will require key skills, how do you get an education and raise a family at the same time? The only people who will be able to afford it, as you so aptly put it, will be the immigrants simply because there is more of them but what ever, right?