[themasta]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

If the tax burden wasn't so harsh on middle class families, then a parent would be able to afford to stay home and raise their own children, like they did once upon a time. This would negate the need for this type program.

All that's going to happen is an entire new bureaucracy is going to be created for the administration of this program and eat up more tax dollars, resulting in increased taxes to cover the funding. Then you'll have the funds that were to be allocated for some program for the children being gobbled up by some consultant to the assistant of the deputy administrator of the study group that was formed to determine if the department needs more cosultants for the assistant secretary to the administrative assistant of the deputy director of the .............. ad infinitium ad nauseum.

The tax study they did proved that the rich were paying more then their fair share in taxes. A comparison of Canada to the other western countries shows us at the same level or lower. We only suffer from comparison to the US. Your tut-tutting a social program that a majority of Canadians want in favour of just giving them tax credits so one parent could stay home. I'd rather have the social program. The days of the father bring home the money and the mother at home with the rug-rats are a bygone era and should be. Today women should get the opportunity for a career just as men do. The best idea would be parenting co-ops but our society just isn't geared to that.

[DerbyX]

If you don't agree then state a rebuttal instead of telegraphing your lack of knowledge.

[hwacker]

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/our_tv_ad ... child_care

[Robair]

DerbyX DerbyX:

We do have the money to re-energize our military, invest more in heathcare and have a nationally run daycare program. That money is in our yearly 6-10 billion surplus. The Liberals have wisely paid down our debt within for the last few years or so. Imagine all the happy people if they just chopped taxes to eliminate that surplus and ran a large military as well as all those social programs we love so much. They would be heroes until we remembered the fact that we would be going deeper & deeper in debt until it bankrupted us (like the PC gov't nearly did). Thats what the US is doing right now, going deeper and deeper in debt. Canada hasn't got the economy or economic clout to handle a massive debt. Thats why they budgetted for a surplus each year, in order to pay down the debt and just like a person who has maxed out his credit cards it takes time to pay it off. Every year we pay down the debt by 5 billion or so means more money next year and it grows exponentially as the interest we pay gets smaller and the surpluses get larger. I would like to see a few more years of large debt reduction but understand thats its probably time for the liberals to make only the minimum payment and open up the purse strings for Canada.

Paying down the debt is the one thing Paul Martin has been good at. You won't see me arguing against that.

National Daycare, on the other hand, is not necessary. 'Re-energize' the millitary, shorten waiting times at hospitals, and spend on education.

Daycare? Give me a break.

[ShepherdsDog]

I'm sorry, but having worked within the education system, I'm afraid you'll see the same mismanagement of funds in this program that there is within any other department or agency run by the government. Of the 5 billion allocated to the program, you'll be lucky to see one billion that directly benefit the children. The rest will sucked up by bureauleeches. Give the parents the tax breaks required that will at least allow them the choice of who raises their kids.

[DerbyX]

Robair Robair:

DerbyX DerbyX:

We do have the money to re-energize our military, invest more in heathcare and have a nationally run daycare program. That money is in our yearly 6-10 billion surplus. The Liberals have wisely paid down our debt within for the last few years or so. Imagine all the happy people if they just chopped taxes to eliminate that surplus and ran a large military as well as all those social programs we love so much. They would be heroes until we remembered the fact that we would be going deeper & deeper in debt until it bankrupted us (like the PC gov't nearly did). Thats what the US is doing right now, going deeper and deeper in debt. Canada hasn't got the economy or economic clout to handle a massive debt. Thats why they budgetted for a surplus each year, in order to pay down the debt and just like a person who has maxed out his credit cards it takes time to pay it off. Every year we pay down the debt by 5 billion or so means more money next year and it grows exponentially as the interest we pay gets smaller and the surpluses get larger. I would like to see a few more years of large debt reduction but understand thats its probably time for the liberals to make only the minimum payment and open up the purse strings for Canada.

Paying down the debt is the one thing Paul Martin has been good at. You won't see me arguing against that.

National Daycare, on the other hand, is not necessary. 'Re-energize' the millitary, shorten waiting times at hospitals, and spend on education.

Daycare? Give me a break.

If you read my previous debates on this subject you'll know that I don't particularily want or agree with a daycare program. I'd just rather have that then some massive tax-credit system with the lost revenue supposed to go to child care but won't and we'll still have the same problem. The fact is though that a majority of Canadians want something along those lines.

[DerbyX]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I'm sorry, but having worked within the education system, I'm afraid you'll see the same mismanagement of funds in this program that there is within any other department or agency run by the government. Of the 5 billion allocated to the program, you'll be lucky to see one billion that directly benefit the children. The rest will sucked up by bureauleeches. Give the parents the tax breaks required that will at least allow them the choice of who raises their kids.

I don't see the tax breaks doing much better, sorry. A combination of privately & publically run daycare that bills the gov't directly for all eliigable parents would work effectively.

[hwacker]

Again with "majority of Canadians" Just cause the Liberals are telling you this does not make it true

[ShepherdsDog]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I'm sorry, but having worked within the education system, I'm afraid you'll see the same mismanagement of funds in this program that there is within any other department or agency run by the government. Of the 5 billion allocated to the program, you'll be lucky to see one billion that directly benefit the children. The rest will sucked up by bureauleeches. Give the parents the tax breaks required that will at least allow them the choice of who raises their kids.

I don't see the tax breaks doing much better, sorry. A combination of privately & publically run daycare that bills the gov't directly for all eliigable parents would work effectively.

I have yet to see anything the government is involved with work effectively. All this "billing" scenario does is set us up for fraud and mismanagement

[BartSimpson]

Canadaka Canadaka:

why do you people always have to turn topics into shit shows, i bet none of you even watched the speech. I wanted to hear peoples opionions of the speech, not your typical remarks..... GAWWWWWWWWWD

I didn't see the speech and I'm not going to comment on it. Hope that makes you feel a little better!

[ShepherdsDog]

If you had read it a little more carefully, you would realize that I was referring to private day cares ripping off the government. That's why Canada had an inquiry recently, dealing with fraudulent "billings" the government paid out.

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because I currently work in the education system

No offence intended, but I thought you said you were a janitor. I worked within the system as a teacher and dealt with curriculum planning and program development. My wife was also a principal and dealt with the school budget and school funding, so I got a fairly good insight as to where money was coming from and where it was going to. If I'm incorrect I apologize.