[Brenda]

Well, we tell our kids Sinterklaas lives in Madrid (Spain), and his helper is black, because he comes through the chimney to give presents... There is no believe involved... Oh by the way, he is born in Turkey...

[kaetz]

Brenda Brenda:

Well, we tell our kids Sinterklaas lives in Madrid (Spain), and his helper is black, because he comes through the chimney to give presents... There is no believe involved... Oh by the way, he is born in Turkey...

[Knoss]

$1:

Well, we tell our kids Sinterklaas lives in Madrid (Spain), and his helper is black, because he comes through the chimney to give presents... There is no believe involved... Oh by the way, he is born in Turkey...

Greece, and his bones are in Italy.

[Brenda]

Are you telling me he is dead???

[BartSimpson]

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

There is a big difference between a foetus and a baby.

Yep, about six inches. That's how far the fetus has to move down the brith canal before it is legally a baby. Other than that, there is no difference.

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

A foetus is a child if and only if the following conditions are true:

a. The woman desired to conceive a child with that set of genes, and continues to desire it.

b. The woman is confident that her mate will help her to bring up the child.

Liberals help single mothers with welfare, child care and women's rights programs and thereby help more women to choose lilfe. We do not restrict choice, we help women make the correct choices.

Naturally, you'll be good enough to cite the laws and medical texts that support your suppositions?

Because you have your head up your ...

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

A foetus is a child if and only if the following conditions are true:

a. The woman desired to conceive a child with that set of genes, and continues to desire it.

No. It is a child even if the mother did not wish to conceive and even if the mother did not desire the father. The mother's opinions do not change subjective facts.

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

[B]A foetus is a child if and only if the following conditions are true:

b. The woman is confident that her mate will help her to bring up the child.

How many women knowingly have children with losers? And what the hell does the mother's faith in the father have to do with a child being a child?

My Volvo isn't a Volvo unless I'm confident in my wife's ability to cook dinner.

Your statement is as sensible as mine.

Reagan had a comment about people like you:

Ronald Reagan Ronald Reagan:

Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.

When you retro-actively abort yourself then I'll pay a tad more attention to your idiocy.

[Scrappy]

Here is a Muslim females view on being Muslim.

No Lilly dale chicken I didn't google it, you see I can type more than one word or one line so I research my posts. I eagerly await the Loser Brigades responses; let the Emailing begin. L to the forhead the secret sign of the Loser's Brigade. Or is that the Idiot Brigade. Note to self: Get a bigger can of raid, it's not working on the rodents at CKA.

I Am a Moslem Woman - Parvin Darabi
"They differed with me over what times we are living in. It is not a democracy when a man can talk about politics without anyone threatening him. Democracy is when a woman can talk of her lover without anyone killing her." - Dr. Sauad M. Al-Sabah

I am a Moslem woman. I have no face. I have no identity. At age 9, based on lunar year (a lunar year is ten days shorter) I am considered an adult. Being an adult means that I have to adhere with Islamic laws as stated below.

I have to pray five times a day, fast one month out of the year and cover myself from head to toe in yards of black fabric. I am eligible to be married and can be punished for any wrong doing. I can be incarcerated and, if needed, executed for my crimes, even political ones.

Islam's law - that Allah sent down to his messenger Muhammad - came to announce that women (exactly like men) are full human beings. Women (like men) are therefore required to follow the way appointed by Allah.

"A woman (like a man) is therefore obligated with all three degrees of this religion: Islam (outward submission to Allah), iman (inward faith in Allah), and ihsan (perfection of worship of Allah)".

"Women have such honorable rights as obligations, but men have a (single) degree above them". The Koran 2:228

"Men are the managers of the affairs of women because Allah has preferred men over women and women were expended of their Rights". The Koran 4:34

Islam believes and promotes only one relationship between male and female and that is the relation of lust.

"If a man and a woman are alone in one place, the third person present is the devil". Prophet Mohammed

I am not allowed to swim, ski, ride a bike, dance, learn to play musical instruments, practice gymnastics, or any other sport. I am not even permitted to watch men play sports, either in the stadium and/or on television.

I am not permitted to participate in Olympic games.

From age 7, I am segregated from all males in and out of my extended family.

My father, grandfather, uncles, brothers or my male cousins are not allowed to be present at any ceremonies for my accomplishments. They will not be allowed to participate in my birthday parties.

I have to study under female teachers and professors. However, since women of prior generations were not allowed to go to school, there are not that many qualified women teachers and professors. Male professors must teach me from behind a wall.

I am to be treated by female doctors. Go to female dentists. And if there are none, then I have to go without or I must be examined through some sort of divider.

I am not allowed to practice birth control or have abortions, even if carrying or having a child means I have to die.

My worth is based on the Islamic Laws of Retribution, 24th edition, December 1982, as half of a man. It doesn't matter who I am, how educated I am, and what earning potential I may have in my life. My worth is half of a man, any man.

According to clauses 33 and 91 of the law in respect, Qasas (The Islamic Retribution Bill) and its boundaries, the value of woman is considered only half as much as the value of a man.

Article 1: dieh or blood money paid to the victim or next of kin for as compensation for bodily injury or murder of a relative.

The Islamic Law of Retribution

In the old Islamic laws, recently placed into practice by the Islamic Republic of Iran, the worth of a man's life is equal to the market value of 100 camels or 200 cows and that of a woman is equal to half of the man's, 50 camels or 100 cows.

The clause number 6 regarding the dieh (cash value of the fine) states that the cash fine for murdering a woman intentionally or unintentionally is half as much as for a man. The same clause adds that if a man intentionally murders a woman and the guardian of the woman himself is not able to pay half of the Dieh (the value of 50 camels or 100 cows, the difference between the value of a man to that of a woman's life) to the murderer, the murderer will be exempted from retribution.

New Legal Standing: Pursuant to article 85 of the constitution, the Islamic penal code article 300, blood money or dieh, a sum paid to the next of kin as compensation for the murder of a relative, is twice as much in the case of a murdered man as in the case of a woman. The number of witnesses required to prove a crime is higher if the witnesses are female. For example, article 237 of the penal code states that first degree murder must be proven by testimony of two just men and evidence for second-degree murder or manslaughter requires the testimony of two just men, or one just man and two just women, or of one just man and the accuser.

My testimony in a court of law is equal to half of that of a man. In most countries I don't vote and I don't get elected to office. And if I do, it does not mean much. I inherit only half as much as my male siblings.

I cannot get custody of my children. Even if their father dies. In the case of divorce or death I have to surrender my children to their father and/or his family.

I cannot travel, work, go to college, join organizations, even visit my friends and relatives without my father or husband's permission.

I must live where my husband desires.

I am banned from studies such as engineering, agriculture, archaeology, restoration of the historic monuments and handicrafts, and many other fields. I am not allowed to become a judge.

Under the terms of Koranic law, any judge fulfilling the seven requirements (that he have reached puberty, be a believer, know the Koranic laws perfectly, be just, and not be affected by amnesia, or be a bastard, or be of the female sex) is qualified to dispense justice in any type of case.

I have no right to choose the clothing I wear in public. This is done by the Office of the Islamic Guidance which sets the color, the style, and the accessories for women and girls as young as 6 years of age.

I will get arrested, beaten, and sometimes even executed if I wear make-up, nylons, bright colors and specifically the color of red.

I cannot choose my mate and am not permitted to divorce him if things did not work out.

According to Khomeini, the Iranian Islamic Imam, "The most suitable time for a girl to get married is the time when the girl can have her first menstrual period in her husband's house rather than her father's".

I have to meet all my husband's desires including the sexual ones. And if I refuse he has the right to deny me food, shelter, and all of life's necessities. I have to say yes every time he wants to have sex.

According to Hojatoleslam Imani, Religious Leader in Iran. "A woman should endure any violence or torture imposed on her by her husband for she is fully at his disposal. Without his permission she may not leave her house even for a good action (such as charitable work). Otherwise her prayers and devotions will not be accepted by God and curses of heaven and earth will fall upon her".

My husband can divorce me without my knowledge and by the Islamic law he is required to support me for only 100 days. And if he dies, I am entitled to 1/8 of his Estate.

I can only ask for divorce if my husband is impotent, if he does not have sex with me at least one night in every forty nights, and if he refuses to provide me with a minimum standard of living.

My husband can have four permanent wives and if he is from Shi'i sect, he can have as many temporary wives as he wants.

Koran says that "Men your wives are your tillage. Go into your tillage anyway you want". This means that a man is allowed to sodomise his wife and she cannot complain.

In some countries they even mutilate, cut and sew my female sexual parts in order to control and regulate my sexual desire.

According to the Islamic Laws, I am supposed to be seen outside of my home three times in my life. When I am born, when I get married and when I die.

I have no explanation on why God denied me everything and made men in charge of me, if there is a God. I don't believe there ever was one.

In Islam, the age of majority for a girl is 9 years and for a boy is 15 years. This means that a 9 year old girl and a 15 year old boy are considered to have the same level of maturity. Now, if girls reach maturity six years earlier than boys, then why did God place men in charge of women? Was there something wrong with God's Judgment?

In some Islamic countries such as Iran, if I am arrested for wearing make-up, the guards will force me to clean my face with cotton balls rubbed in pieces of glass. This cuts my face. The barbaric revolutionary guard, while watching the blood run out of my flesh, will tell me, "next time you think about this and will not wear it".

As a political prisoner I will be used as a concubine for the revolutionary guards. In case I am condemned to death I will not undergo the sentence as long as I am a virgin. Thus I will be systematically raped before the sentence is executed. Mullahs believe that virgin girls who die go to heaven but politically inclined girls are ungodly creatures and they do not deserve to go to heaven, therefore they are raped so that the Mullah's can be sure that they indeed will be sent to hell.

In Islam, if a 6 or 7 year old girl is raped by an adult man, she will be the one that gets punished. It is her fault because she provoked it. The parents then will burn or kill her because she has dishonored the family.

It has been said that the Moslem Prophet got very upset one day noticing his wives flirting with men who visited him and ordered women to stay behind a dividing curtain when speaking with men. The idea of hijab, the covering up of women, became a law in Islamic countries from that day.

In 1991, the Prosecutor-General of Iran, declared that "anyone who rejects the principle of hijab is an apostate and the punishment for an apostate under Islamic law is death."

Polygamy is legal in Islam. A man may marry "four Permanent" and as many "Provisional" or temporary wives as he desires.

"Marry such women as seem good to you, two, three, four; but if you fear you will not be equitable, then only one, or what your right hands own; so it is likelier you will not be partial". The Koran 4:3 "Most Europeans have mistresses. Why should we suppress human instincts? A rooster satisfies several hens, an stallion several mares. A woman is unavailable during certain periods where as a man is always active....", Ayatollah Ghomi, LE MONDE, January 20, 1979.

Parvin Darabi

[Mr_Canada old]

Sounds awfully like Nazism, ^

[Scrappy]

This religion is being compared to Nazism, only it hates and butchers Infidels and Jews and Buddist, the West, Christians. Oh my so much hate for the Religion of Peace.

[Mr_Canada old]

Scrappy Scrappy:

This religion is being compared to Nazism, only it hates and butchers Infidels and Jews and Buddist, the West, Christians. Oh my so much hate for the Religion of Peace.

Indeed.

Now, I didn't see that the Islamic problem was this troublesome and... Well, just plain fucking wrong! To quote my class on the issue, "What the fuck is wrong with those people?".

And these people want to turn Canada into some Religious zone for the Muslims. Nonono.

Ban the Burka, it reminds me of a freaking Nazi Arm Band.

[BartSimpson]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Ban the Burka, it reminds me of a freaking Nazi Arm Band.

BRAVO! That sounds like a great bumper sticker!

[Mr_Canada old]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Ban the Burka, it reminds me of a freaking Nazi Arm Band.

BRAVO! That sounds like a great bumper sticker!

It does? Wow, you just confused the hell out of me without trying.

[EyeBrock]

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

glennfitzgerald glennfitzgerald:

It seems kind of odd that no one here has asked Muslim women who wear Burkas what they think?

What if it turns out that the public critics of the Burka simply don't understand its proper significance in certain Muslim cultures. Or what if it turns out that many Muslim women actually want to wear the Burka because it expresses a specific religious point of view?

Before I jumped to too many conclusions, I would make some kind of effort to actually find out what the wearers of the Burka think,

You should make the effort to at least undertand the significance of the thing you want to ban before you ban it.

Muslim women who wear the burka, Glenn, prefer not to think. They simply follow the Qur'an, which prescribes it for them.

Why does the Qur'an do it? Well the Qur'an is quite clear. Women who are not covered entirely fill men with desire and leads to molestation. Molestation therefore is the fault of the women.

To avoid molestation, women must not only wear a burka, but must also follow 'Mahram' which is enforced to various extents, but includes some or all of the following:

a. Cannot drive a car.

b. Cannot leave her house without accompanying menfolk. For unmarried women this is father, brothers uncles or cousing. For married women, these are corresponding relatives of their husband.

c. Cannot be alone in a room with a non-Mahram male.

d. Cannot hold most jobs and do most work due to the above rules.

e. Cannot be educated, especially where education is expensive and is seen to be of little use, due to the above.

While I do not go into the sexism of it, and I do not address the rights of women, the Qur'an prescription is basically incomplete, since it does not take into account the possibility of incest. Allah, it appears, could not think of a way to protect women from this!

That's utter bollocks.

The Koran says that women must dress modestly, not wear bags on their heads with eyeholes cut out.

I have no problem with the hajib, but niqabs and burkhas are the ultra orthodox cultural views imposed by the two most oppressive regimes towards women and gays in the world, the Wahhabi’s of Saudi Arabia and the Taliban of Afghanistan.

It’s not Koranic direction, it’s purely cultural and very 7th Century. Any Sura's can be skewed towards a point of view to justify these stone age views. Lots is lost in translation from the archaic Arabic.

And you guys think it's ok to import this oppression into Canada?

You are a disgrace to the western culture and democracy we have built here. You would bring in values that are basically medieval citing ‘tolerance’ towards those who display nothing but intolerance to women, our culture and our civilisation.

Unfortunately my kids will have to deal with the spineless reactions of your ilk to these Islamofacists in the not too distant future.

[Knoss]

$1:

Wahhabi’s of Saudi Arabia

Wahabi is illegal in Saudi Arabia

$1:

You are a disgrace to the western culture and democracy we have built here. You would bring in values that are basically medieval citing ‘tolerance’ towards those who display nothing but intolerance to women, our culture and our civilisation.

Perhaps, but it is because of western domocracy that the burka can not be banned as it could be interpreted as religious expression falling under the relm of free speech. Though this often is not the case it can be interpreted as such making enforcement difficult. If we want to ensure rights for women it is best done thought education women so as to not fall into this sort of manipulation be families, rather then legislate how people dress.

What about huterite colonies wear men dress in modern black clothes weraing a cap often t-ee shirt and ball cap or suit and stetson, where women still dress as they did 100 years ago?

[hwacker]

Knoss Knoss:

$1:

Wahhabi’s of Saudi Arabia

Wahabi is illegal in Saudi Arabia

$1:

You are a disgrace to the western culture and democracy we have built here. You would bring in values that are basically medieval citing ‘tolerance’ towards those who display nothing but intolerance to women, our culture and our civilisation.

Perhaps, but it is because of western domocracy that the burka can not be banned as it could be interpreted as religious expression falling under the relm of free speech. Though this often is not the case it can be interpreted as such making enforcement difficult. If we want to ensure rights for women it is best done thought education women so as to not fall into this sort of manipulation be families, rather then legislate how people dress.

What about huterite colonies wear men dress in modern black clothes weraing a cap often t-ee shirt and ball cap or suit and stetson, where women still dress as they did 100 years ago?

The only things Hutterites treat like anmials are anmials. + i don't think we'll have to worry about a horse drawn carriage full of TNT going off any time soon.

[Knoss]

Thats the omish. Hutterites are not affraid of technology and fortunatly that includes modern medicine, but I think if one looked into it you would find a discrepency between the quality of life between Hutterite men and women.