[canuckns]

baylee baylee:

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Yup. And our media and the LIBRANOs and NDP are the Taliban allies.

No they arnt.

But the Americans certainly were

$1:

Maybe that's why we call him "Taliban Jack"

We?

Maybe you do, normal people dont

How clueless are you? If the Americans are Allies of the Taliban they why did they invade Afghanistan and remove the Taliban from power? Why are the Americans still fighting and killing the Taliban in Afghanistan if they are Allies.

I'm sorry but you really need to grab a piece of reality.

[Delwin]

One of the problems with this war is that we are no longer fighting a group of individuals in Afghanistan, we are fighting an ideology. Ideological views can't be fought with guns. It is only through education that concepts like equality, social justice and democracy can be instilled.

We are fighting the radicals in this society whom are willing to take up arms to defend their views. Those whom also share these views but are unwilling to take up arms, will not be harmed. The views of the extremists themselves are what need combating, otherwise, the next generation will be no different than this one. The Taliban is representitive of a militia for those who hold these extremist views. Until the civilian portion of this group is convinced that the western values we are trying to impose will lead to prosperity, the Taliban will always have a source for their militia.

[baylee]

$1:

If the Americans are Allies of the Taliban they why did they invade Afghanistan and remove the Taliban from power?

Acyually how clueless are you?

I quite clearly said they were allies

Something that can not be denied

[grainfedprairieboy]

Delwin Delwin:

One of the problems with this war is that we are no longer fighting a group of individuals in Afghanistan, we are fighting an ideology. Ideological views can't be fought with guns. It is only through education that concepts like equality, social justice and democracy can be instilled.

You are only correct until such time as that particular ideology is willing to take up arms to promote itself. You could have tried to educate or lecture the Nazi's, Fascists and Communists all you wanted but it boils down to might makes right.

Delwin Delwin:

Until the civilian portion of this group is convinced that the western values we are trying to impose will lead to prosperity, the Taliban will always have a source for their militia.

Prosperity is well down on the list below the Will of Allah, tradition and inter ethnic group dominance.

[baylee]

WDHIII WDHIII:

THIS from the guy runnin around caliln Harper "fatty"......

HUH??

The NDP and LIBS are not allies of the Taliban.

Most people do not say Taliban Jack..The Americans WERE allies with the tALIBAN.

And Harper is IS FAT

[Delwin]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Delwin Delwin:

One of the problems with this war is that we are no longer fighting a group of individuals in Afghanistan, we are fighting an ideology. Ideological views can't be fought with guns. It is only through education that concepts like equality, social justice and democracy can be instilled.

You are only correct until such time as that particular ideology is willing to take up arms to promote itself. You could have tried to educate or lecture the Nazi's, Fascists and Communists all you wanted but it boils down to might makes right.

Delwin Delwin:

Until the civilian portion of this group is convinced that the western values we are trying to impose will lead to prosperity, the Taliban will always have a source for their militia.

Prosperity is well down on the list below the Will of Allah, tradition and inter ethnic group dominance.

So do you believe that our soldiers are going to kill every extremist and all that will be left is freedom loving capatilists ? If you do not think that we are able to change the views of the population, under what conditions do you believe that the war will end, we already hold military superiority. By your logic, shouldn't we already be dictating what is right ? Or are we going to need to lay an authoritarian smackdown in order to get our point across to the civilian population ?

[grainfedprairieboy]

Delwin Delwin:

So do you believe that our soldiers are going to kill every extremist and all that will be left is freedom loving capatilists ?

I believe that if we kill every single extremist that we will be left with a whole lot of moderates holding essentially the same views as the extremists but unwilling to press them with the same vigour.

Delwin Delwin:

If you do not think that we are able to change the views of the population, under what conditions do you believe that the war will end, we already hold military superiority.

As soon as the typical Mosque in Montreal no longer sends funds that its members think are going out as humanitarian aid and the Saudi government stops sending money to anyone who promises to abide by the Wahabbi ideology and as soon as the NDP/Liberals/Bloc and their western nation cohorts stop sending moral support the war will be done and the enemy vanquished.

Delwin Delwin:

By your logic, shouldn't we already be dictating what is right ?

What is right for Afghanistan is secondary to what is right for Canada. We are there to make sure the violence stays there and does not affect Canada. Reconstruction or Afghanistan aid is very noble and worth it on its own but is still secondary to the overall security concerns of Canada.

Delwin Delwin:

Or are we going to need to lay an authoritarian smackdown in order to get our point across to the civilian population ?

This is the strategy of the enemy and it has been very effective. People observed cooperating with Canadian soldiers are even murdered by Taliban death squads. Again, do not confuse the principle objective of the mission (security of Canada and its allies) with the second or third (nation building, hamanitairan aid.)

[sasquatch2]

$1:

Baylee/Segment/Ladybug
Most people do not say Taliban Jack..The Americans WERE allies with the tALIBAN.

Actually most people do call him TALIBAN JACK.

The Americans were never allies to the Taliban.
The Taliban did not defeat the Russians.
The Taliban did not fight the Russians.
The Mujahidin fought and beat the Russians.
The Mujahidin lost the fight for hearts and minds AFTER the Taliban invaded Afghanistan from Pakistan.
The remnents of the Mujahidin were the Northern Alliance which defeated the taliban with NATO air and logistical support.
NATO did not invade Afghanistan, but were invited by the Mujahidin/Northern Alliance victors to help stabilize/reconstruct Afghanistan.

The HIV has gone to your brain.

[canuckns]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

The Americans were never allies to the Taliban.
The Taliban did not defeat the Russians.
The Taliban did not fight the Russians.
The Mujahidin fought and beat the Russians.
The Mujahidin lost the fight for hearts and minds AFTER the Taliban invaded Afghanistan from Pakistan.
The remnents of the Mujahidin were the Northern Alliance which defeated the taliban with NATO air and logistical support.
NATO did not invade Afghanistan, but were invited by the Mujahidin/Northern Alliance victors to help stabilize/reconstruct Afghanistan.

The HIV has gone to your brain.

[baylee]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

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Actually most people do call him TALIBAN JACK.

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No, most people do not call him Taliban Jack ( RW<s are a very small minority in this country)

Yes the Americans were allies with the Taliban( I mean sheesh, they were partly responsible for their existence)

$1:

The Taliban did not defeat the Russians.

Dont recall talking about that

$1:

The Mujahidin fought and beat the Russians.

Or that

$1:

The Mujahidin fought and beat the Russians.

And???

$1:

The Mujahidin lost the fight for hearts and minds AFTER the Taliban invaded Afghanistan from Pakistan.

And your point is?

$1:

NATO did not invade Afghanistan

Agreed.America did

$1:

but were invited by the Mujahidin/Northern Alliance victors to help stabilize/reconstruct Afghanistan.

Thats as ludicrous as your HIV being picked up from someone crying on your shoulder

$1:

The HIV has gone to your brain

What HIV?

[karl_galster]

baylee baylee:

Doesnt seem to stop the Americans from dropping bombs on whoever or wherever they please.
Innocent civillians, children , women, you think the Americans care who they kill?

The people who don't care who they kill are the very people that the Americans and Canadians are now fighting.

Proof positive when a suicide bomber in Afghanistan blew himself up to kill a Canadian soldier while the soldier was handing out pencils to a bunch of schoolchildren killing that soldier as well as a couple of children..

Just one incident among many that these folks put up with on a daily basis

US foreign policy didn't fly two airliners full of people into New York city killing three thousand civilians, Muslim Extremists did .

[sasquatch2]

$1:

Baylee/Segment/Ladybug

Yes the Americans were allies with the Taliban( I mean sheesh, they were partly responsible for their existence)

This BS is getting tiresome----of course, that is your intent.

PROVE IT

[canuckns]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

$1:

Baylee/Segment/Ladybug

Yes the Americans were allies with the Taliban( I mean sheesh, they were partly responsible for their existence)

This BS is getting tiresome----of course, that is your intent.

PROVE IT

How else do you think he will think he won. Once everyone is so tired of his BS that everyone stops responding to him.

[Whos_Voting_Oil]

baylee baylee:

$1:

The news report at the start shows that the Afghan police/army forces surrounded possibly 200 taliban, and are asking for a surender. That's a far step from saying the mission is a failure.

The (MISSION? ) is a failure.

Most normal people who dont live in denial know that.

And the mess in Afghanistan has everything to do with Iraq.

They are one and the same

Again, deny if you want

I agree the mission is failure for Iraq but there two different mission! Afghanistan is a justified mission to free the Afghanistan for the dictatorship of the Taliban which is supported by NATO and the UN. Canada still require an exit strategy and more pressure on Pakistan for there support of the Taliban but I hope the best for our troops! Please come home 2008!

Iraq is an illegal war brought on by the US which is not support by the UN and war crimes may follow for Bush and Cheney. The only winners out of this is Cheney’s Halliburton company and the fact that the US can help dictate the new Iraq and who will get to control of the large oil reserve in the world.

Who’s picking up the tab for rebuilding of Iraq I would like to see there oil money be used and none of it sold to the US as they instigated the illegal war and it was executed so very poorly.

[Regina]

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