[Curtman]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Got bad news for ya, the government - and provincial ones - sterilized all kinds of people (from Slavs, to criminals, to intellectually delayed) - it wasn't exclusive (see further your Sterilization Act - which comes after residential schools were est - and the Alberta Eugenics Board) Sorry, your point is still moot.

And it doesn't do squat to substantiate your "campaign of eradication" as this wasn't exclusive - sorry, eugenics was, unfortunately, a seen is some quarters as legitimate.

Keep quote mining and googling.

The residential school system was an attempt to eradicate a culture. How can you possibly claim otherwise? The whole point was was to teach the savages English/Christian values. They even punished them for using their language.

My point remains though. Us "white folk" are immigrants. We came here and did that. Now I'm watching all of you fearing what the "new people" are going to do to our way of life.

[kenmore]

Yes and while most people have stuffed the turkey, this turkey will be stuffing the senate. Do you know any old has been news reporters or talk show hosts looking for work and are willing to dance to his fiddle?

[Mustang1]

Curtman Curtman:

The residential school system was an attempt to eradicate a culture. How can you possibly claim otherwise? The whole point was was to teach the savages English/Christian values. They even punished them for using their language.

Forced assimilation IS NOT GENOCIDE. It's morally questionable, true, and many, many henious acts were commited (but that's par for the course with ANY nation/culture in their history), absolutely. But it's not, i repeat, not genocide. And if you have to retreat to "cultural genocide" then you've reached the end of your tether as that only server to minimize real acts of state-sanctioned murder.

$1:

My point remains though. Us "white folk" are immigrants. We came here and did that. Now I'm watching all of you fearing what the "new people" are going to do to our way of life.

No, your point failed about 4 posts ago. You initially claimed, "went on a campaign to eradicate the indigenous population and its culture". Notice the "population" and not simply "culture"? Now your hedging your point as it's becoming clear it was erronous, but don't claim otherwise. You're wrong.

And just to belay another lost historical point - everyone is an immigrant to North America. Want to try and argue that one too?

We also came here and introduced jurisprudence, enlightenment concepts, science, equality and technology. We weren't saints, blood was spilled by BOTH sides (I notice you conveniently omit this) and if laws were circumvented, than the guilty should be punished, but i'm not about to gloss over history, quote-mine, and push agendas in an attempt to besmirch Canada's past. Perhaps you learn about it first BEFORE posting? Just an idea.

[Curtman]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Forced assimilation IS NOT GENOCIDE. It's morally questionable, true, and many, many henious acts were commited (but that's par for the course with ANY nation/culture in their history), absolutely. But it's not, i repeat, not genocide. And if you have to retreat to "cultural genocide" then you've reached the end of your tether as that only server to minimize real acts of state-sanctioned murder.

Genocide is your word. Cultural genocide is what we're talking about.

Mustang1 Mustang1:

No, your point failed about 4 posts ago. You initially claimed, "went on a campaign to eradicate the indigenous population and its culture". Notice the "population" and not simply "culture"? Now your hedging your point as it's becoming clear it was erronous, but don't claim otherwise. You're wrong.

And just to belay another lost historical point - everyone is an immigrant to North America. Want to try and argue that one too?

We also came here and introduced jurisprudence, enlightenment concepts, science, equality and technology. We weren't saints, blood was spilled by BOTH sides (I notice you conveniently omit this) and if laws were circumvented, than the guilty should be punished, but i'm not about to gloss over history, quote-mine, and push agendas in an attempt to besmirch Canada's past. Perhaps you learn about it first BEFORE posting? Just an idea.

"everyone is an immigrant to North America"

That is exactly the point. There was a population here when we arrived. We replaced it with our own system and subjugated it.

Immigration is what Canada is all about.

[ridenrain]

Conservatives will now have 50% of the senate and the comitties will reflect that. The Liberal senators won't be able to stall or dilute the will of the people any more.

Opposition is going to make noise that this is all about the prisoner abuse investigation but keeping in mind our latest losses, I can't see any Canadians caring if a taliban or 2 get hit with shoes.

[Curtman]

What does Steve's minority government know about the will of the people?

[Mustang1]

Curtman Curtman:

Genocide is your word. Cultural genocide is what we're talking about.

No...let's try this again...you wrote, "went on a campaign to eradicate the indigenous population and its culture and that outlines your bogus attempt to paint Canada as guilty of state-sanctioned murder ("campaign" and "eradicate"). That means "genocide" and you're flat wrong. Next time, either fess up, concede the point or be careful about your diction. Either way, your quote stands and your point falls.

And if you're retreating to "cultural genocide" then its so vague and ambiguous that it extends to ANY group outside norm. French can claim cultural genocide and so can Ukranians, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, and so on, and so on. By your "definition" any group prior to official multiculturalism can flee to it.

$1:

"everyone is an immigrant to North America"

That is exactly the point. There was a population here when we arrived. We replaced it with our own system and subjugated it.

Immigration is what Canada is all about.

Yup, but we augmented it, as Native culture is hardly eradicated, and our own culture will continue to change as other immigrate here. But, we won't be whining about "cultural genocide", that's for certain.

[Curtman]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Yup, but we augmented it, as Native culture is hardly eradicated, and our own culture will continue to change as other immigrate here. But, we won't be whining about "cultural genocide", that's for certain.

You won't? I started reading this thread at page 1, and it sounded like you guys already were. I guess you won't be able to complain unless "they" are successful. For whatever value of "they" you're scared of this week.

[EyeBrock]

Curtman, your New Years resolution should be to stop making stuff up on your posts.

Stop reading between non-existent lines and stop thinking your interpretation of something is what was actually written in a post.

[ridenrain]

You guys are so sad and desperate now that your losing power.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stop reading between non-existent lines and stop thinking your interpretation of something is what was actually written in a post.

Here's something...

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I have no problem with people wearing what they want derby, but the burka is more than a bit of clothing. It is an icon of radical Islam. I'm all for letting these radical's wear what they want, it makes them easier to spot.

Those lines aren't hard to read between. Other cultures scare you. Why don't they dress and talk like us? Right?

[Mustang1]

Curtman Curtman:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Yup, but we augmented it, as Native culture is hardly eradicated, and our own culture will continue to change as other immigrate here. But, we won't be whining about "cultural genocide", that's for certain.

You won't? I started reading this thread at page 1, and it sounded like you guys already were. I guess you won't be able to complain unless "they" are successful. For whatever value of "they" you're scared of this week.

I guess you need to conjure up stuff and attribute it to me in a sorry attempt to avoid the fact that you can't whip up any history to prove your asinine "went on a campaign to eradicate the indigenous population and its culture" comment. You're wrong...and i'll be here to kick it back at you each and every time you make up more junk.

I'm not scared of anyone...if you're going to go this silly route, then find the quote where i'm specifically "complaining about them and whether or not they're successful". If not, retract it or we'll just chalk it up to you being a liar.

[Mustang1]

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stop reading between non-existent lines and stop thinking your interpretation of something is what was actually written in a post.

Here's something...

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I have no problem with people wearing what they want derby, but the burka is more than a bit of clothing. It is an icon of radical Islam. I'm all for letting these radical's wear what they want, it makes them easier to spot.

Those lines aren't hard to read between. Other cultures scare you. Why don't they dress and talk like us? Right?

You accused me of a similar thing...where's your proof on that one? I'll wait while you fumble about.

[N_Fiddledog]

There are those who view the massing throng of Independents and Right wingers in the United States, and see ill-advised mobs acting out of ignorance under the direction of evil, manipulative overlords. They see themselves as the better informed, looking down from on high, on the manipulated masses. It's a lie they tell themselves to be comfortable. Really they're sitting in cellars gathering intel from a reflection of what they see above.

The truth is the Rights and Independents who are unafraid of Fox, or the blogs know stuff those relying on the mainstream media for their information don't.

There's an article at BigGovernment.com today.

The Most Underreported Stories of 2009

I'll give you the highlights BG.c chose. For an explanation of why they chose them, click the link. People aware of stories like those, and their underlying facts know they are acting out of superior knowledge, not less.

1. CLIMATEGATE

2. THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT

3. FORT HOOD AND ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IN THE U.S.

4. ACORN and SEIU

5. HCR COVER-UP

6. NEA

7. DHS, NAPOLITANO TARGET DISSENT

8. KEVIN JENNINGS – FISTGATE

9. VAN JONES

10. OBAMA’S LACK OF SUCCESS

[ridenrain]

On the flip side, the CBC reported that Rush was dead.