[Chopper]

You're right Ripcat. I should do something good...I know...I'll go into the schools and teach kids how to make smart decisions about drug use...no, wait...I already do that.

I know! I'll volunteer with my local community watch program to keep druggies out of our neighbourhoods.....damn...I do that already too.

How about I join a volunteer organization that donates time and money to Dependancy Clinics where they treat victims of drug abuse...Nope. I do that too.

How about this. I will dedicate my life to upholding Canadian laws...man...I'm running a no-hitter here.

Ripcat, if you want to make this personal with me...batter up.

Chopper - Out.

[Chigeeng]

I believe pot should be legalized. But I am against public intoxication. Just as I don't have to put up with some drunk at the next table I shouldn't have to put up with mindless giggling and distracting nonsense from stoned groups of people.

[Ripcat]

Chopper Chopper:

You're right Ripcat. I should do something good...I know...I'll go into the schools and teach kids how to make smart decisions about drug use...no, wait...I already do that.

I know! I'll volunteer with my local community watch program to keep druggies out of our neighbourhoods.....damn...I do that already too.

How about I join a volunteer organization that donates time and money to Dependancy Clinics where they treat victims of drug abuse...Nope. I do that too.

How about this. I will dedicate my life to upholding Canadian laws...man...I'm running a no-hitter here.

Ripcat, if you want to make this personal with me...batter up.

Chopper - Out.

Your post was harsh and out of context.

btw, if pot was legal and could be taxed the revenue generated could add more teachers to the schools, put more cops on the street and increase funding for rehab clinics. But sadly, all they do is talk about decriminalizing it which really means we still don't get rid of the criminals and can't raise more funds to remove hard drugs and their criminal element from our neighbourhoods.

and one more thing....how is it that drug abusers are victims? They may have been victims of something but it certainly wasn't drug abuse.

And you never answered the question I posed in my last post:
What problem have they proven that Canada has?

Ripcat
-Thirtysomething, middle income, hard working guy with a life plan who enjoy's smoking a doob every now and then who doesn't need the schools 'teaching' my kids about drugs, is a member of the Neighbourhood Watch(Jack, your dog got loose and shit on Betty's lawn again and she's threatening to smear it all over your car....)and has no time or money for drug abusers(probably because I can't relate to them).

[exroofer]

First of all this argument would not be occurring if marijuana were classed as alcohol is and not as a Schedule 1 narcotic like heroin. This move was made a long time ago in the U.S. by uninformed old senators who were sipping on mint juleps at the time. The damage done by irresponsible alcohol use is far, far greater than that done by marijuana. Scientific research, statistical analysis, and personal experience all match in this finding.
Prohibition was proven impossible to enforce in the 30's. Legalise marijuana, stiffen penalties on hard drugs, and take advantage of the revenue stream that taxed marijuana would generate.
Pot smokers would be a lot more willing to cooperate with police in cases of crack and meth heads doing nasty things if they (the pot smokers) wouldn't get arrested for being wherever it was and seeing what they saw.
I am a gainfully employed 38 yr old male with 16 years in a trade. I use marijuana daily to kill the chronic pain from repetitive motion injury in all my major joints. Without it I could not work and would be forced on to welfare or disability. I pay for my drug of choice out of my own pocket and do not ask the goverment to do it for me.
If you can find a way I harm society more than I help it I will eat my monitor.
Fire away.

[Chopper]

I'm not so sure I was harsh. You said:

Ripcat Ripcat:

Right... ...and you sit there writing posts...get off your ass and go do something good....

After you insinuated I was doing nothing but sit on my ass, I simply pointed out what it is that I'm actually doing...not just writing posts. I think, taking into consideration your calling me nothing but lazy and loudmouthed, my post was quite reserved. I then pointed out that if you wanted to make this conversation personal in nature, I was more than willing. To quote Doc Holliday "I'm your huckleberry."

The problem that Canada has? Canada has a drug problem, and sadly, as I have argued in previous posts in different strings, not just marijuana. To me it is made evident by the photographs contained in the originator's post.

There. I answered your question. Now you try to answer mine: What is it they were attempting to prove by smoking up on the front lawn of a government building? Do you think this is the way to achieve any kind of result to further their cause?

[Laudinum]

I'm not who Chopper's comments were aimed at, but this may be a fair time to throw my 2 cents into the discussion. I think the folks at that event made some small progress at keeping the generic harmlessness of marijuana in the public eye, which is all that the rally was about.

I'm FOR the legalization of marijuana, but not right now. While I feel legalization would bring this country the benefits already stated in this thread, those would be overshadowed right now by the anger it would generate towards our policies from south of the border. The current US administration is mad enough at Canada right now, and the last thing we need is for it to be more upset. I think right now we should keep *talking* about legalization and leave it at that. Rallies like this keep us talking, which is a good thing. A couple hundred Winnipeggers spending an afternoon (and evening, no doubt) is time pretty well spent, IMHO.

Cheers,

Laud

[Ripcat]

Chopper Chopper:

There. I answered your question. Now you try to answer mine: What is it they were attempting to prove by smoking up on the front lawn of a government building? Do you think this is the way to achieve any kind of result to further their cause?

I don't know what they were trying to prove as I am not an organizer or participant in the event. What I do know is that none of those young people deserve a criminal record just because they enjoy smoking up. If this is what they were attempting to prove then I would say they failed because the police took a hands off approach denying any of the participants from taking their protest to the next level.

$1:

The problem that Canada has? Canada has a drug problem, and sadly, as I have argued in previous posts in different strings, not just marijuana. To me it is made evident by the photographs contained in the originator's post.

Canada does not have a drug problem, people have drug problems.
I hope you included alcohol and doctor's that over medicate when discussing drug problems.
The photo's show nothing but a bunch of people milling about. For all we know they were really there to protest tuition fee hikes and the poster used the pics to promote his own agenda.

Please enlighten me to my comments where I called you lazy and loudmouthed. Your original post was harsh and out of context and does nothing to help promote your opinions on marijuana use in Canada.

I'd like to know how you developed your attitudes/opinions about the use of marijuana.(not hard drugs, just marijuana)

[Chopper]

Ripcat:
I am more than willing to concede when I am wrong. Maybe I interpreted your original response incorrectly. When you wrote "you sit there writing posts...get off your ass and do something good" I interpret that as saying I'm doing nothing but sitting on my ass writing posts. Lazy - sitting on my ass. Loudmouthed - doing nothing but writing posts. If I took that wrong, allow me to be the first to extend the olive branch.

You ask where I developed my opinions. Reader's Digest Version: 17 years of law enforcement in both city and rural detachments, and every person I met who was dependant on illegal narcotics can trace his / her current substance abuse to initial marijuana usage. Not all marijuana users are addicts. I would never say that, and I do not think that every person who has a puff now and then are hopelessly bound to becoming addicts. I do believe, however, that marijuana is a gateway drug which often leads to the usage of harsher drugs.

I have argued my view points ad infinitum (if are you reading this Wildcat you should be proud of my Latin ) in another thread, which, of course I can't find right now.

Bottom line: I see nothing good coming from openly violating Canadian Law, and frankly I'm astounded by the lack of action from the local police force.

[Donny_Brasco]

Chopper Chopper:

Bottom line: I see nothing good coming from openly violating Canadian Law, and frankly I'm astounded by the lack of action from the local police force.

SO SHUT UP AND DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!

AND GO GET A JOB AND A LOAN AND PAY YOUR TAXES LIKE A GOOD LITTLE AMERI....ERR I MEAN CANADIAN.

FREEDOM DOES NOT MEAN CHALLANGING THE SYSTEM,

FREEDOM MEANS YOU ARE FREE TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!

DICTIONARY.COM DICTIONARY.COM:

police state
n.
A state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic, and political life of the people...AND HAS MOUNTIES ON THE BACK OF THEIR CURRENCY

Sgt Pepper was called in to hose down some post smokers at the 4:20 club in hell.

[PENATRATOR]

Hey RipCat, maybe I am arriving late, but in response to you crack at Chopper to do something, well I suppose the six months he just spent away from his wife and child while making a contribution to the war on terror does not count. Now I realize you are not aware of this just as I have no idea of what you have been up to over the past year, I do suggest that people keep their replies a bit more civil when expressing their opinions.
My opinion is to all you doper heads out there, get a job, and by the way, yes you do deserve a criminal record.

[Chopper]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Chopper Chopper:

Bottom line: I see nothing good coming from openly violating Canadian Law, and frankly I'm astounded by the lack of action from the local police force.

SO SHUT UP AND DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!

AND GO GET A JOB AND A LOAN AND PAY YOUR TAXES LIKE A GOOD LITTLE AMERI....ERR I MEAN CANADIAN.

FREEDOM DOES NOT MEAN CHALLANGING THE SYSTEM,

FREEDOM MEANS YOU ARE FREE TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!.

Not sure what glue sniffing tree you fell out of DB, but I'm not quite sure your halucinagen addled mind is keeping up with the big kids here. Thanks for your contribution {insert condascending pat on the head here} and run along now while the adults have a discussion.

[Donny_Brasco]

Chopper Chopper:

17 years of law enforcement in both city and rural detachments, and every person I met who was dependant on illegal narcotics can trace his / her current substance abuse to initial marijuana usage.

How sweet, you say you are 34 with 17 years of law enforcement experience...

Chopper Chopper:

Not sure what glue sniffing tree you fell out of DB, but I'm not quite sure your halucinagen addled mind is keeping up with the big kids here.

And it's nice to see that someone with your amazing background in law enforcement thinks all Natives are glue sniffing druggies.

Chopper Chopper:

Chopper - Out.

Damn you're cool.

[PENATRATOR]

Hey DB, where exactly does Chopper label all WB's as glue sniffers? Oh ans what exactly is your point over how much time he has as a Police officer in comparison to his age?

[Chopper]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

How sweet, you say you are 34 with 17 years of law enforcement experience...

34 years old, joined at 17 in 1988 right out of High School...2005 - 1988 = 34. You're good at math. I hope you go far.

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

And it's nice to see that someone with your amazing background in law enforcement thinks all Natives are glue sniffing druggies.

Who the fuck said all Natives are glue sniffers? I said YOU were a glue sniffer, and I said it because you sounded like you were on glue. Are you on glue? If you are a Native, you are certainly a sad representation of your People. Way to reinforce a stereotype. My best friend is Cree, and my hunting buddy is Metis so don't try to throw that shit into the mix. I don't think your a Fuck-Wit because you're Native, I think you're a Fuck-Wit because you don't seem to have two clues to rub together.

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Damn you're cool.

Thanks. I think I'm pretty cool too. Sadly, I still think you're an idiot.


Question to the Moderator's of this site:

What do I need to do to put this chucklehead on some kind of "Ignore" list?

[PENATRATOR]

Sadly Chopper, this guy is the typical type of person of a visible minority, who plays it up, a shit disturber with a chip on his shoulder, rather than talk intelligently, he has to bring his race into it like it matters or something in an effort to make it sound as though you are insulting him or his kind, note to DB, wake up turd stabber, there are glue sniffers everywhere, go ahead and say that white Anglo saxon english speaking males are snorting coke, and I will answer "yeah, some are". Get real.