[Otis]

If the Liberals were to be voted back in with a majority government during the next election.

According to Hapday, they would.


As I said to him, I believe that they have a greater sense of patriotism than to choose seperation.

This board's thoughts?

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$1:

Guilty


I have something to confess. I am guilty of being unCanadian.

I am tired of being quiet and polite.

I am tired of having over 50% of my wages taken from me and used to fund programs that are in turn used to enslave me.

I am not a slave.

I will not be treated like one.

I am a free man.

We have forgotten that democracy is not simply majority rules. My rights are not open to debate nor are they subject to a vote. Government was not meant to be used like a sledge hammer to force me into some mold that I do not fit into. Remember preschool and kindergarten? Remember the simple wooden puzzles with the round pegs and the square blocks? If five year olds can figure out how it works then how come a nation full of adults can't?

I do not wish to sit any longer and watch as my rights - as granted to me by nature or God - are wasted and violated by a group of men who believe it is their duty to meddle in every aspect of my life.

I do not wish to see what little freedom I have left squandered in the halls of power in some mythical far off land called Ottawa.

I am tired of being told what to do.

And I'm not going to take it anymore.

This weekend I am joining the Western Independence Party.

This is not a good thing even by my own standards but I see little other choice.

At the tender age of twenty seven I have come to the conclusion that my own children will be born into something that more closely resembles a police state than a free country. I have decided it is unacceptable that they should not know the same freedom my father and grandfathers had.

The courts, the government and a variety of special interest groups have made it impossible to achieve the goal of political liberty through any traditional means. The only way to once again achieve some semblance of freedom in this country is to start again.

It¹s time for westerners to put up or shut up. It's time to say goodbye to eastern politics and power and to go it on our own.

It¹s time to free the west.



Scott Carpenter is a free lance writer who currently resides in North Eastern, BC.

http://www.republicofalberta.com/

[xerxes]

Whenever someone is Alberta or Bc talks about seperation it's usually the non-sensical ravings of a bunch of malcontents who can't have their way.

[PrairieChick]

Now I tend to think of things in a different way, what kind of Political Power would Alberta, BC, Quebec or any other province have if they were there own country. What kind of a Nation would that make Canada? I am probably asking a redundant question here but whats the point of separating are there not more opportunities as one very strong country instead of ten (or whatever number) individual newly formed vulnerable nations?

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xerxes xerxes:

Whenever someone is Alberta or Bc talks about seperation it's usually the non-sensical ravings of a bunch of malcontents who can't have their way.

Guess you didn't click the link.
These are non-sensical ravings allright.

$1:

Are you tired of:

Liberal Party Alberta bashing to win votes in the East?

The Prime Minister of Canada refusing to recognize Alberta's elected Senators?

The four year Liberal elected dictatorship of Canada's highest office, the Prime Minister?

Alberta sending a substantial amount of our money East. It's a redistribution of wealth!

We are treated like colonies rather than equal partners in confederation.

The fact that Canada's elections are over at the Manitoba border?

The fact is the Eastern Liberal establishment loves our money but they don't like us Alberta rednecks!

How about all the graft and corruption?

Billions spent on a useless gun registry while police services, infastructure, education, and health services deteriorate.

Sounds like some folks are just getting pissed off and have had enough of the corruption going on in the government.
They are starting to fight back now.

[ridenrain]

Guilty.
I'd like to see BC stay in Canada but the Canada I loved is being replaced by some kind of desperate corruption. Paul promised he'd fix Western alienation but he's been too busy spinning other problems closer to his wallet.
Paul, listen to what O'Brien said "The truth is not what you say, the truth is what you do."

[QuebecSpock]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Paul, listen to what O'Brien said "The truth is not what you say, the truth is what you do."

[bootlegga]

Personally I like the quote from the Patriot (but not the movie itself);

Why trade one master 3000 miles away for 300 masters 10 miles away?

The fact is that if Alberta and BC did separate would those of us who don't want to go get to stay or would we be dragged kicking and screaming? Maybe the farmers and some business people in Calgary would want to leave, but most of Edmonton sure wouldn't. The only Liberals who ever win seats in Parliament do so here (Good ole' Landslide Anny comes to mind).

Besides, BC and Alberta are so far apart politically that the Conservatives in this province would still cry like babies all the time. With 'Redmonton" voting left wing pretty much all the time, the left wing would rule this new country too. There may be some Conservatives in BC, but the province is decidedly left wing and with them having about 1 million more than us, the writing is on the wall. . I can't imagine the NDP ever running Alberta...

[Bigboy]

I havent given up on canada yet, but we seriously need people who have a vision for canada. thats been lacking for awhile. We need to quit starting new social programs till the ones we have now are working like they should (Healthcare)

BC is conservative federally though but yeah we like healthcare. i hope the NDP never regain power provincially. I think for 10 years atleast should limit provincial parties to 3 or 4 parties so we get the best politions possible. for BC probly Liberal, NDP, Green and Reform Party of BC

[shamus11]

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I am sorry, Alberta

By

James Bredin

I’m sorry Alberta, I’m the boss or didn’t you know?
I live in Ottawa and I’ve watched your tar sands grow and grow,
You remember the National Energy Program I’m sure,
You’re getting uppity so we’ll do it again to make you poor.

Just because the Conservatives threw that program out,
You don’t vote properly so there never was much of a doubt,
And this time we may throw in a little bit of extortion,
Because you’re a small province and rich out of proportion.

And Ralph’s rant about a provincial firewall was all bluff,
Remember we’re the Adscam guys and we never get enough,
We need more money for Quebec, kickbacks and equalization,
Or maybe to stash some away in some secret foundation.

Sorry Alberta but you will just have to pay and pay,
Because here in Ottawa you don’t have the numbers or the sway,
We appoint your senators so guess where they all stand?
You’ll have to send us billions for all your rich tar sand.

There are no referendums, recall or term limits allowed,
And you’re way out of proportion; you’re such a small crowd,
And feedbacks are forbidden forever by Ottawa decree,
We don’t want any argument so you better agree.

Sorry Alberta but you’re just not like Quebec,
They get special attention and your money if you care to check,
And our prime ministers mostly come from over there,
So send more money to Ottawa and show us that you care.

Monday, June 06, 2005

http://shamus11.blogspot.com/
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[shamus11]

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Alberta please behave!

By

James Bredin

Dear Alberta: Ottawa may have to bring you down a peg,
You’re getting too rich and sure of yourself so it’s time to beg,
So their new Kyoto environmental program they’ll bestow,
Like the old National Energy Program enforced by Trudeau.

It’s really a question about who owns all those tar sands,
The appointed Supreme Court could decide who owns these lands,
As no one questioned these appointees about their bias,
Dressed up like bishops, their decision could be pompous and pious.

You should realize of course that this is for your own good,
Ottawa needs more equalization dough, it’s understood,
For poorer provinces plus ransom for unilingual Quebec,
In the national scheme of things you’re only a roughneck.

You are not bilingual and have no multicultural respect,
You’ve acquired an attitude that is far from correct,
And the UN Kyoto Agreement will bring you into line,
You will not have an option and you can never decline.

It’s the smog and the pollution that will be their excuse,
Ottawa propagandists will send out the news and confuse,
They’ll claim it’s the environmental emissions are at fault,
Tar sands development engines will have to come to a halt.

Tuesday, June 07, 2005

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[Tman1]

Thanks, we get the picture.

[Patrick_Ross]

xerxes xerxes:

Whenever someone is Alberta or Bc talks about seperation it's usually the non-sensical ravings of a bunch of malcontents who can't have their way.

I disagree. The FACT is that the Canadian system as it is currently designed is eggregiously lopsided toward the East, and given that the East has to date refused to fix the problem, if the Liberal party is repeatedly elected western separation will become a very distinct possibility.
The memory of the National Energy Program is still fresh in the mind of the west (admittedly particularly Alberta) and, one way or another, it will not be allowed to happen ever again.
I view separation from Canada as I view a lot of things: not something I WANT to support, but something I may eventially be FORCED to. I love Canada as much as the next man -- possibly more. But there may come a time whem I am forced to support the cause, because I am forced to recognize that the system is so broke that it cannot be fixed -- because those with the power to ensure that it does constantly refuse with a hearty "NO! FUCK YOU, ALBERTA!"
Until you've watched your forty-year-old father and your seventy-year-old grandfather lose their life's work because some cowardly bearaucrat in Ottawa (aka Pierre Trudeau) is afraid of Alberta's economic potential, you'll never understand where the discontent is coming from. Mostly because a lot of people don't care. They're too busy trying to convince themselves that they're more intelligent and more enlightened by supporting a bunch of political tyrants to ever consider that democracy by numbers doesn't work.

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Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:

xerxes xerxes:

Whenever someone is Alberta or Bc talks about seperation it's usually the non-sensical ravings of a bunch of malcontents who can't have their way.

I disagree. The FACT is that the Canadian system as it is currently designed is eggregiously lopsided toward the East, and given that the East has to date refused to fix the problem, if the Liberal party is repeatedly elected western separation will become a very distinct possibility.
The memory of the National Energy Program is still fresh in the mind of the west (admittedly particularly Alberta) and, one way or another, it will not be allowed to happen ever again.
I view separation from Canada as I view a lot of things: not something I WANT to support, but something I may eventially be FORCED to. I love Canada as much as the next man -- possibly more. But there may come a time whem I am forced to support the cause, because I am forced to recognize that the system is so broke that it cannot be fixed -- because those with the power to ensure that it does constantly refuse with a hearty "NO! FUCK YOU, ALBERTA!"
Until you've watched your forty-year-old father and your seventy-year-old grandfather lose their life's work because some cowardly bearaucrat in Ottawa (aka Pierre Trudeau) is afraid of Alberta's economic potential, you'll never understand where the discontent is coming from. Mostly because a lot of people don't care. They're too busy trying to convince themselves that they're more intelligent and more enlightened by supporting a bunch of political tyrants to ever consider that democracy by numbers doesn't work.

[GunPlumber]

30+% of Alberta population is Canadians who are two generations or less removed from their former provinces. That alone would make it darn near impossible for a Western Seperation party to gain ground in this province.

If the Paul Martin's government has shown anything it is, that minority governments may be the way forward. Imagine a "Bloq West" as the dominant political force. With the BQ sure to command the Quebec vote for years to come, why should the West participate in federal parties that continue to ignore us. We will never have a say as long as we elect western MP's into a party dominated by Ontario members. I say let the Conservatives, the Liberals and the NDP fight over Ontario's seats, while a "West First" party unites the 95 federal ridings west of Ontario.