[SJ-24]

Yup, the tears are flowing now that it's public the Liberals distroyed the military during their gay revolution. Its a fact, not fiction, yet many Liberal's are upset by comments the CDS is making about the Liberal's rein of terror as being called "a decade of Darkness!. Well, I've described the liberal government as being much worse than that. I think the CDS is being polite. Perhaps the Liberals should just shut the fuck up and lose this election based on their past performance, not on how big of babies they can be!

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February 16, 2007

Grits slam top soldier as Tory ‘prop’

By JOHN WARD

OTTAWA (CP) - Gen. Rick Hillier's description of the 1990s as "a decade of darkness" for the Canadian Forces isn't sitting well with some Liberals, who see it as a partisan attack on their tenure.

Hillier, the chief of the defence staff, has used the phrase regularly in the last few months to describe a period when the defence budget fell by a quarter as then-prime minister Jean Chretien's government wrestled with a huge federal deficit. He said he's being frank. Denis Coderre, Liberal MP and former cabinet minister, said he's acting as "a prop" for the Conservatives.

Hillier repeated the "decade of darkness" line Friday in a speech to the Conference of Defence Associations. The audience, liberally studded with serving and retired military types, as well as defence contractors and analysts, applauded warmly.

Coderre did not.

"I'm disappointed," he said. "It's too much. Talking about the darkness, 10 years of darkness. I think it's unacceptable."

He said Hillier seemed to be praising the Conservatives for their efforts in the last year. "I don't think it's appropriate."

Hillier says he's not a politician and he calls 'em as he sees 'em.

"I describe things as accurately, as clearly, as bluntly and as frankly as I possibly can and that's what I've done.

"We've gone through a decade of darkness and we're starting to come out of it and that's a description of the Canadian Forces. Like it or not, that's the description."

Retired general Lew MacKenzie, said he saw nothing wrong with Hillier's comment.

"I don't think there's anything wrong with recounting history and what is acknowledged," he said.

After all, he said, the Liberals did slash the military budget sharply.

Hillier is not the first general in his job who's expressed concern about the Liberal budget-cutting of the 1990s.

Some of his predecessors simply tried to hold things together as the budget shrank, the ranks thinned, infrastructure decayed and equipment rusted out. Planes were mothballed. Ships were tied up for lack of crews. Exercises were cancelled. Training suffered.

Maurice Baril, chief of staff from 1997 to 2001, spoke out sharply in the last months of his tenure, telling MPs he was scraping the bottom of the barrel. His successor, Gen. Ray Henault, announced a pause in operations to give the strained military a breather.

Coderre said the Liberals under Chretien faced a $48-billion annual deficit when they took office and had to act. But, he said, things turned around and Paul Martin's short-lived government had been in the process of restoring the defence budget.

He said he thinks Hillier is dabbling in politics.

Hillier says he isn't.

"As the chief of defence staff, I care not who governs our country, as long as they support the Canadian Forces.

"Canadians need to understand the state of affairs of their men and women, their sons and daughters and to say their sons and daughters have needed certain things, some things are coming through now, I try to explain that as clearly as I can."

NDP Leader Jack Layton said the Liberals have to accept responsibility for their actions.

"The general is right to say the Liberals did not support our troops and their families with adequate equipment to keep them safe or with adequate salaries or even remuneration for families who were bereaved," he said.

Layton said the whole thing smacks of a political gambit. "It sounds to me like the Liberals are trying to whip up this into a political issue."

Coderre's upset may have more to do with the minority government and the possibility of a surprise election.

Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor, who also spoke to the defence association conference Friday was asked after his speech whether the return of a Liberal government might lead to the cancellation of some of the equipment projects announced by the Tories, such as the bid to buy four jumbo C-17 transports. In 1993, just a day into the Liberal mandate, Chretien killed a Conservative deal to buy EH-101 helicopters and it took more than a decade to find replacements.

"I can't speak for another potential government of another party," O'Connor replied.

"I have reasonable confidence that the Conservative government will go on for some years and we'll get a chance to implement all these projects and rebuild the armed forces.

"That's the thrust we're on now. We intend to rebuild the armed forces come hell or high water."

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I've got this also in the current events section, but this is in more depth. Just in case some military families didn't vote Conservative already?

We also need to remember that the Libs accused Harper of muzzling Hillier back in September.
I guess it's fine to talk as long as you don't talk bad about the Liberals.

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Commissioner Zaccardelli is not the only independent official to be muzzled by the Harper government. According to media reports, Prime Minister Harper also told Chief of Defence Staff General Rick Hillier that all of his speaking engagements – as well as those of other senior military officials – must now be approved by the Prime Minister's Office, and that any speeches he delivers will be subjected to a lengthy vetting process.

“The Prime Minister muzzled the Minister of Public Safety. Then he muzzled the Head of the RCMP. This is typical behaviour for this government,” Mr. Graham said. “Can the Prime Minister explain to Canadians why they are paying the salaries of officials when they can’t even address the media without Mr. Harper’s permission?”

[SJ-24]

I've known Hillier a long time. He doesn't speak for anyone but his troops. He was like that as a Captain and I'm sure nothing has changed over the last 25 years. To me, the liberals are liers and in need of being sent to the minor leagues to be punished for a good 10 years. I'd like to see the Conservative win a majority soe we can get this country back on track instead of staying in this rut we find ourselves in. Major changes are needed in our Criminal Prosecution. Law and order must be changed to ensure a successful future. If we can't do it as a nation because of the Eastern small minds, then we will have to seperate and do it as the West in our own country.

[kenmore]

SJ_ 24 --- here the Tories going mud slinging again!
Before Harper -- hmm I mean Baby Bush Canada was a peace keeping Nation... Harper gets elected and all of a sudden ( at Bush's
command ) we are in combat ,, at war... ---
I guess any party that advocates the gun laws says it all eh?
and by the way your pic of the noose says it all.. Whats it for - people who dont agree with you.. women , blacks, gays and lesbians, handicapped people , developmentally delayed? house wives that work at home? people from the east , Quebecers/
racist F---N tories!

[kenmore]

oh as a far as a Majority Tory Government goes --- stop having night mares... I work it two very large hospitals and every meeting I go to they say -- vote them out!!
go back to sleep

[Scrappy]

Kenmore you beloved Liberals sent the troops to Afghanistan not the Cons. Jezze Louise if you are going to sprout tripe do your homework child.

[RUEZ]

kenmore kenmore:

SJ_ 24 --- here the Tories going mud slinging again!
Before Harper -- hmm I mean Baby Bush Canada was a peace keeping Nation... Harper gets elected and all of a sudden ( at Bush's
command ) we are in combat ,, at war...

Actually before "baby Bush" Canada took part in the Boer War, World War 1 & 2, The Korean War, and the Gulf War. I might be missing some. Canada is not a peacekeeping country, but sometimes that is the best answer and sometimes it's not.

[PluggyRug]

kenmore kenmore:

oh as a far as a Majority Tory Government goes --- stop having night mares... I work it two very large hospitals and every meeting I go to they say -- vote them out!!
go back to sleep

If you woke up from your union induced coma you would realise the roses smell good.

[Scrappy]

Of course Quebec Perpertist want the Cons voted out, they miss getting their asses wiped daily by the left/left. It's called "Toilet Paper" and it's rather cheap to buy, stop the whineing do you want some fromage with your "Whine".

[SJ-24]

kenmore kenmore:

SJ_ 24 --- here the Tories going mud slinging again!
Before Harper -- hmm I mean Baby Bush Canada was a peace keeping Nation... Harper gets elected and all of a sudden ( at Bush's
command ) we are in combat ,, at war... ---
I guess any party that advocates the gun laws says it all eh?
and by the way your pic of the noose says it all.. Whats it for - people who dont agree with you.. women , blacks, gays and lesbians, handicapped people , developmentally delayed? house wives that work at home? people from the east , Quebecers/
racist F---N tories!

Kenmore, stop proving your a retard frenchman that has never left Quebec's northern regions...I'm 1/4 black, 1/4 scottsman, and half German you stupid fuck. How can I be a racist? I'm also for banning handguns...the choice of weapons that kill 90% of the people on the streets when a firearm is involved...Look it up you stupid fuck, its a fact. If you really want to take away the weapon that kills the most you would have to ban the car and knives....Not going to happen because you Liberals would need the car to drive the jews across the border. We know what you Liberals think of the Jews...Just ask Dion, Martin, and Chretien. All three have blamed the Jews for everything including the price of Chinese tea being so high.....

The noose...Gotta love it, but even I know hanging assholes will never come back. Society is just to pussy whipped by the lefties. Thank god the soldiers in Afghanistan are proving some males in Canada have balls because assholes like you come across like tampon using dragqueens.....

And I am handicapped you idiot. I'm on a wait list for two new knees...Had my surgery cancelled twice...I guess I'm not willing to lie and say I can't get around. I've known a few people that lied just to get in line ahead of me. Not my thing. I leave the bullshitting to the Liberals. They are very good at doing that. I'll live by the truth and just wait.

As for gays....That's where you thought processing goes astray again fool. I have stated several times very publically that I have a sister that is gay and she has been since she was a teen. I probably have more gay friends than you ever will. So, go rethink your "typical Conservative" thinking asshole. You are way off the mark.

It's been my experience that most Canadians that are liberals are only liberals because they've never taken the time to read the party policies of the Conservative party. From the looks and sounds of it, you can add your name to that list of thud fucks that preach only what the Liberal party tells them too....Maybe I am a racist because I hate stupid liberals.......On the other hand, I like Lily because she stands up for what is right in her mind and she can express why she thinks the way she does, not just what the policy is. I may not agree with her being a liberal, but I respect the fact she know why she is a Liberal and not some fucking drone like you.

Have a nice day Kenmore.

[kenmore]

yes the libs sent the troups as peace keepers --
not to take over the war from the good old USA its their war isnt it
so baby bush from Alberta (god I wish he would go home) gets elected and now we are at war -- go figure.......
rednecks -- jeese --- I mean times up

[RUEZ]

kenmore kenmore:

yes the libs sent the troups as peace keepers --
not to take over the war from the good old USA its their war isnt it
so baby bush from Alberta (god I wish he would go home) gets elected and now we are at war -- go figure.......
rednecks -- jeese --- I mean times up

Please research before posting, it'll save you some embarassment.

[kenmore]

well this military brat knows only too well about Canada and its role in previous wars --- since WWII we have been peace keepers...
my father served in the military many years --
So I guess if the tories cant screw us up environmentally they will slowly kill us off sending us to do the dirty work for George W
hee haw !! saddle up you folks out west -- headin to IRAC
or Afganistan --- ps take harper with you

[RUEZ]

kenmore kenmore:

well this military brat knows only too well about Canada and its role in previous wars --- since WWII we have been peace keepers...
my father served in the military many years --
So I guess if the tories cant screw us up environmentally they will slowly kill us off sending us to do the dirty work for George W
hee haw !! saddle up you folks out west -- headin to IRAC
or Afganistan --- ps take harper with you

You are an idiot and opening your mouth continues to prove that. Have you forgotten about Korea, or the first Gulf War? Let's not forget that the Liberals sent us to Afghanistan dummy, they are also the ones who signed Kyoto and then promptly did absolutely nothing to implement it. So take your head out of your ass and put the blame where it belongs. Fuckin noob.

[kenmore]

well Ruez -- bite me --- The only fucking time we develop and grow in the Country is when the tories are out --- I dont care if we elect the Bloc the libs the NDP or the fucking green party -- Conservative means big bucks for the rich and the little guy can go fuck themselves...
and as far as the Gulf war ( the first one) that was daddy bush and it was all about oil and still is with baby bush --- and if anyones head is up someones ass its Harpers up Bushes --- you rednecked bastards from the west make me puke !!! so fuck you