[Robert]

cmab wrote: <b>Although I am a federalist, I have to say that most of French Quebecers see themselves as Quebecers first, then Canadians. The attachement to Canada is about 50/50 more or less.</b><br /> <br /> But try taking away their Canadian passport and you may just get your eyes scratched out.

[Robert]

It is estimated (high) that thirty per cent of Quebecers are hard-core separatists.

[Delenda]

[QUOTE] Ahh, no. Most French Quebecers are attached to Canada. Why were separatists so afraid to ask a direct question in referendum? French Quebecers are the majority in Quebec, yet separatists couldn't convince them to give up on Canada, even with their deceptive question.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Robert, I hate to admit it, but I agree with you on this one. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cry.gif' alt='Cry'> <br /> <br /> Don't forget the electorate in 1995 isn't the same as the one on the next referendum. Demography is on our side. More young people turn 18 every year whereas old people die. <br /> <br /> More yes votes, less no votes.<br /> <br /> Plus, according to the latest news, the last referendum was stolen by the federalist with treachery manipulation and coruption.<br /> <br /> It would have passed, not by very much, but it would had passed, had it not been for federalist deceipt.<br /> <br /> I predict the next one will be a yes victory, something like 65-35, maybe a little less.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

[Robert]

<b>How Canada should handle another Referendum on Quebec separation/partition</b><br /> <br /> TROC endorses the referendum as a legitimate exercise in Quebec democracy -- but also announces the following ground rules and repeatedly makes them crystal clear to all Quebec voters: <br /> <br /> * Whatever muzzy, feel-good wording separatists dream up as the referendum question, TROC will recognize a "yes" vote as meaning only the following: "I want Quebec to become an independent nation with no remaining ties to Canada. Any future relationships with Canada will have to be negotiated as between separate and independent states." <br /> <br /> * The Cree Indian territory of northern Quebec and other communities voting decisively "no" will remain part of Canada.<br /> <br /> * A land corridor under jurisdiction of the Canadian Armed Forces will be established between Ontario and New Brunswick. <br /> <br /> * Any future treaties or other arrangements between TROC and an independent Quebec will require Quebec first to assume its share of Canada's national debt as at the date of separation. <br /> <br /> In short, forget forever about divorce with bedroom privileges, the scenario with which hard-core separatists constantly con the Quebec voter. That they've succeeded for so long is entirely TROC's fault for failing to explain matters clearly to our well loved and respected Quebec fellow citizens. <br /> <br /> Make sure Quebecers also know that -- once out on their own -- there's a five-year waiting period before TROC will consider any application to rejoin the best country in the world. <br />

[sebastien]

[QUOTE BY= Delenda] <br /> <br /> Robert, I hate to admit it, but I agree with you on this one. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cry.gif' alt='Cry'> <br /> <br /> Don't forget the electorate in 1995 isn't the same as the one on the next referendum. Demography is on our side. More young people turn 18 every year whereas old people die. <br /> <br /> More yes votes, less no votes.<br /> <br /> Plus, according to the latest news, the last referendum was stolen by the federalist with treachery manipulation and coruption.<br /> <br /> It would have passed, not by very much, but it would had passed, had it not been for federalist deceipt.<br /> <br /> I predict the next one will be a yes victory, something like 65-35, maybe a little less.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Il faut viser 70-30 Delenda !<br /> En 1995, le NON l'a emporté grâce aux Canadiens-français de plus de 55 ans. Ils ont voté à 60% NON. Qu'on le dise. C'est pas le vote ethnique voyons. L'argent a joué un rôle bien sûr. Mais bon, pardonnons-leur à ces amis fédéralistes... ils auront toujours plus de moyens n'est-ce pas ??? REgardez les 80$ millions de drapeaux canadiens.<br /> <br /> Delenda et les autres, prévoyez de justes répliques à tous ceux qui tenteront les habituels arguments de la peur et menaces.<br /> <br /> CEla a fonctionné en 95 avec les personnes âgées et les pensions ! Pas une deuxième fois... héhé.<br /> <br /> Oui, l'ambivalence collective règne. Elle est compréhensible pour moi... On peut taponner longtemps encore au sein du Canada, oui. Si les Canadians sont prêts à nous endurer encore !!! Au fond, on est gagnants des deux côtés... mais je préférerais qu'on fasse notre chemin séparément le Québec et le CAnada.

[cmab]

[QUOTE BY= robert] It is estimated (high) that thirty per cent of Quebecers are hard-core separatists.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I think its even less than 30%, It would be more arrond 20-25%.

[Robert]

As I said, go read some non-separatist articles on the referendum. To our embarrassment even the American press picked up on the dirty tricks separatists used in the 1995 referendum. <br /> <br /> If a fair question is asked Quebecers will favor Canada, even the youth. Do you know any Francophone Quebecer whose life is bad for living in Canada?<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Delenda] [QUOTE] Ahh, no. Most French Quebecers are attached to Canada. Why were separatists so afraid to ask a direct question in referendum? French Quebecers are the majority in Quebec, yet separatists couldn't convince them to give up on Canada, even with their deceptive question.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Robert, I hate to admit it, but I agree with you on this one. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cry.gif' alt='Cry'> <br /> <br /> Don't forget the electorate in 1995 isn't the same as the one on the next referendum. Demography is on our side. More young people turn 18 every year whereas old people die. <br /> <br /> More yes votes, less no votes.<br /> <br /> Plus, according to the latest news, the last referendum was stolen by the federalist with treachery manipulation and coruption.<br /> <br /> It would have passed, not by very much, but it would had passed, had it not been for federalist deceipt.<br /> <br /> I predict the next one will be a yes victory, something like 65-35, maybe a little less.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]

[cmab]

Pour moi, je veux pas de référendum. Sérieux, j'aime mieux qu'on s'occupe d'autres choses préoccupantes.

[sebastien]

[QUOTE BY= robert] <b>How Canada should handle another Referendum on Quebec separation/partition</b><br /> <br /> TROC endorses the referendum as a legitimate exercise in Quebec democracy -- but also announces the following ground rules and repeatedly makes them crystal clear to all Quebec voters: <br /> <br /> * Whatever muzzy, feel-good wording separatists dream up as the referendum question, TROC will recognize a "yes" vote as meaning only the following: "I want Quebec to become an independent nation with no remaining ties to Canada. Any future relationships with Canada will have to be negotiated as between separate and independent states." <br /> <br /> * The Cree Indian territory of northern Quebec and other communities voting decisively "no" will remain part of Canada.<br /> <br /> * A land corridor under jurisdiction of the Canadian Armed Forces will be established between Ontario and New Brunswick. <br /> <br /> * Any future treaties or other arrangements between TROC and an independent Quebec will require Quebec first to assume its share of Canada's national debt as at the date of separation. <br /> <br /> In short, forget forever about divorce with bedroom privileges, the scenario with which hard-core separatists constantly con the Quebec voter. That they've succeeded for so long is entirely TROC's fault for failing to explain matters clearly to our well loved and respected Quebec fellow citizens. <br /> <br /> Make sure Quebecers also know that -- once out on their own -- there's a five-year waiting period before TROC will consider any application to rejoin the best country in the world. <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Robert invite us to your PARTITIONISTS GANG. We'd love to tell you WE LOVE YOU. Come on Robert... You really think the army should come for that corridor territory ??? I don't mind seeing the canadian army come back in Québec (remember '70)but I will just give Québec sovereignity more credibility...<br /> <br /> Not realist at all.<br /> Hmmm... Robert would you try to scare us out ??? Hmmm... hmmm... hey ROC CAnadians out there, do you see what Robert is promoting ??? The army in Québec... you agree with that ??? <br /> <br /> Where are you ROC guys ??? We don't hear you often no more... how come. Geee... CMAB proposed the autonomist project... no one to endorse it out here ??? CMAB t'as l'air tout seul c'est plate.<br /> <br /> Tsé cmab j'serais pas contre une autre tentative de conciliation avec le ROC... mais le temps passe pis j'entends rien comme proposition sérieuse. Le temps passe... et file à vive allure...

[Robert]

<b>Pour moi, je veux pas de référendum.</b><br /> <br /> Agreed, but we will go through one every ten years or so.

[Robert]

Sebastien, don't put words in my mouth. This is an article I cut and pasted. I think the idea of the Canadian Army would be as border patrol. I DO NOT CONDONE VIOLENCE.<br /> <br /> This article was meant to lighten things up and to show how stupid all this talk can get. <br /> <br /> We here, are all Canadians except for Brother Jonathan.<br /> <br /> Again <b>ROBERT DOES NOT CONDONE VIOLENCE, NEVER, EVER</b><br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= sebastien] [QUOTE BY= robert] <b>How Canada should handle another Referendum on Quebec separation/partition</b><br /> <br /> TROC endorses the referendum as a legitimate exercise in Quebec democracy -- but also announces the following ground rules and repeatedly makes them crystal clear to all Quebec voters: <br /> <br /> * Whatever muzzy, feel-good wording separatists dream up as the referendum question, TROC will recognize a "yes" vote as meaning only the following: "I want Quebec to become an independent nation with no remaining ties to Canada. Any future relationships with Canada will have to be negotiated as between separate and independent states." <br /> <br /> * The Cree Indian territory of northern Quebec and other communities voting decisively "no" will remain part of Canada.<br /> <br /> * A land corridor under jurisdiction of the Canadian Armed Forces will be established between Ontario and New Brunswick. <br /> <br /> * Any future treaties or other arrangements between TROC and an independent Quebec will require Quebec first to assume its share of Canada's national debt as at the date of separation. <br /> <br /> In short, forget forever about divorce with bedroom privileges, the scenario with which hard-core separatists constantly con the Quebec voter. That they've succeeded for so long is entirely TROC's fault for failing to explain matters clearly to our well loved and respected Quebec fellow citizens. <br /> <br /> Make sure Quebecers also know that -- once out on their own -- there's a five-year waiting period before TROC will consider any application to rejoin the best country in the world. <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Robert invite us to your PARTITIONISTS GANG. We'd love to tell you WE LOVE YOU. Come on Robert... You really think the army should come for that corridor territory ??? I don't mind seeing the canadian army come back in Québec (remember '70)but I will just give Québec sovereignity more credibility...<br /> <br /> Not realist at all.<br /> Hmmm... Robert would you try to scare us out ??? Hmmm... hmmm... hey ROC CAnadians out there, do you see what Robert is promoting ??? The army in Québec... you agree with that ??? <br /> <br /> Where are you ROC guys ??? We don't hear you often no more... how come. Geee... CMAB proposed the autonomist project... no one to endorse it out here ??? CMAB t'as l'air tout seul c'est plate.<br /> <br /> Tsé cmab j'serais pas contre une autre tentative de conciliation avec le ROC... mais le temps passe pis j'entends rien comme proposition sérieuse. Le temps passe... et file à vive allure...[/QUOTE]

[Robert]

Sebastien, there is no need of you attending any partitionist party, it is not active. <br /> <br /> It is only when separation is mentioned is the need of mention of the word partition.<br /> <br /> Since Quebec is not leaving Canada anytime soon, don't worry. Keep cool!!!! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

[_747]

[QUOTE BY= robert]<br /> We here, are all Canadians except for Brother Jonathan.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Prove that statement!!!! You and all your british compatriots are a fraud!! <br /> <br /> You will never be Canadian, and just because some law was passed in 1947 by the British Parliament stating you are Canadian does not make it so!!<br /> <br /> Think about this for a second!!! What if the mexican government passed legislation, saying all it's citizens are american?? Would this be recognized by the world as valid??<br /> <br /> Of course not!! If you in fact are Canadian prove it!!<br /> <br /> I am Quebecois first, however Canada and the word Canadian is the intellectual property of the Quebecois and Quebec. Canadian was our colonial identity for 155 years. The fraudalent use of Canada and Canadian will be investigated for Civil compensation. The Quebecois could start by leviing a surcharge on Canadian passports issued. A surcharge of $20 is a good starting point. 32 million people = 640 million dollars in Royalty revenue. Anytime the Canadian word is bandied about by a Government and a Corporation a usage fee will also have to be paid to the Quebecois and Quebec. Typically when a song get's radio play I heard the artist gets a 11 cents. I believe that would be fair compensation to the Quebecois and Quebec for the use of their Intellectual property. <br /> <br /> Ideally, compensation would be retroactive, but we will settle for royalties and usage fees to be rendered for all future use of Canada and the word Canadian. Canada and Canadian is the Quebecois's Intellectual Property and like any property we are going to lay claim to our property and will be compensated accordingly. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> <br /> After all is said and done the compensation will creep into the Billions.<br /> <br /> Oh Btw.. I don't want to leave out out my Indian Compatriots we struggled alongside in harmony for 155 years. It is fitting that the Quebecois shares said revenue with our counterparts <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'><br /> <br /> There will be lots to go around <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

[Robert]

747, where do I send my cheque? Was that 20$ Canadian or in another currency?

[sebastien]

[QUOTE BY= robert] Sebastien, don't put words in my mouth. This is an article I cut and pasted. I think the idea of the Canadian Army would be as border patrol. I DO NOT CONDONE VIOLENCE.<br /> <br /> This article was meant to lighten things up and to show how stupid all this talk can get. <br /> <br /> We here, are all Canadians except for Brother Jonathan.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Okay Robert !<br /> <br /> Quoting an article or speaking by our own voice is sometimes the same thing. You didn't put any clarification with that message. I was permited to misinterpret it... Don't say I am paranoid. Some quotes can push to misinterprations... you rectified it, that's fine. Next time, specify by the same message... <br /> <br /> How would you feel if I was quoting Villeneuve an ex-member of the FLQ that is extremist ??? Wouldn't you ask yourself some questions ??? I could say afterwards... hey don't get mad, I don't endorse this guy.