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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:13 pm
 


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It seems obvious: ban guns and there won’t be any gun crime.

After two people were killed and 13 injured in a July shooting in Toronto’s Greektown neighbourhood, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau ordered his government to assess the idea of “a full ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada.” They are scheduled to finish the assignment by the end of the year.

Here is a simple question for Canada to answer: has a single place, anywhere in the world, ever seen its murder rate decline after banning all handguns or all guns?

We can’t find such a place. Every single time that guns have been banned, murder rates have gone up — often several-fold.

Handgun homicides continued to rise after Canada’s 1995 ban on more than half of all legally registered handguns. Americans tried to completely ban handguns in Chicago and Washington D.C., and saw murder and violent crime soar. Gun control advocates argued that these aren’t fair test cases because criminals could bring in guns purchased outside of city limits. But that argument can’t account for why rates of violence exploded in both places.

Murder rates have increased even when all guns or all handguns are banned in entire countries, even entire island nations. Murder rates more than tripled after Ireland’s 1972 ban. In Jamaica, they went up six-fold after a 1975 ban.

The reason is simple. When guns are banned, it is law-abiding citizens rather than criminals who turn in their firearms. And criminals can continue buying arms from drug gangs. If governments can’t enforce drug bans, there’s no reason to think that they can enforce gun bans.

Australia is a favourite example of gun control advocates, but guns weren’t banned there. The country’s buyback program caused more than 700,000 firearms to be handed in and destroyed, reducing the number of legally owned guns from 3.2 to 2.5 million between 1996 and 1997. But since then, the increase in privately-owned guns has outpaced population growth by a factor of three. The number now stands at 5.8 million.

According to gun control advocates’ logic, Australia’s buyback should have been followed by a sudden drop in firearm homicides and suicides. After all, access to legal guns ought to have been greatly diminished. Gun control advocates would then have predicted a slow increase in firearm deaths as the ownership rate increased again. No such thing occurred. Firearm homicides and suicides were falling for 15 years prior to the buyback, and fell more slowly after the buyback. So there is no evidence that the buyback actually caused the fall, but it may look that way in the absence of historical context. Armed robbery rates rose after the buyback, and then slowly fell back down to pre-buyback levels as gun ownership increased. This is the exact opposite of what gun control advocates predicted.

The evidence for gun control is no more hopeful when it comes to preventing mass public shootings.

The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation defines a mass public shooting as an incident in which four or more people are shot to death in a public place, excluding gang fights and guerilla warfare. The murders also cannot have occurred in the commission of another crime such as robbery.

Compared to the average country, Canada has been pretty safe from these attacks. Canada has just half a percent of the world population, but it has had an even much smaller share of the world’s mass public shooting deaths. From 1998 to 2012, it had just 0.03 per cent of such fatalities. The same numbers for the U.S. were 4.6 per cent of the population and 1.1 per cent of the mass shootings, so it is also much safer than the average country.

Whether we look at all countries or only at developed ones, we find that nations where gun ownership is more common tend to have lower homicide rates and lower rates of death from mass public shootings. That’s because armed citizens are able to defend themselves and stop attacks in crowded, public places. Every single mass public shooting on record in Canada has occurred in areas with gun prohibitions. In the United States, that’s true of 98 per cent of attacks. It’s no wonder, since many mass killers intentionally pick targets where people can’t defend themselves.

Police are important in the fight against crime, but they almost always arrive after the crime has occurred. Depriving law-abiding citizens of firearms leaves us all more vulnerable to attacks.

National Post

John R. Lott is the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center and the author most recently of “The War on Guns.” Gary Mauser is professor emeritus at Simon Fraser University.


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/opinio ... -in-canada


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:18 pm
 


"Bans" only affect the law abiding, that's what government forgets. Criminals have never given a shit.


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Fentanyl kills 11 Canadians per day.

Idiot drivers kill an average of 6 Canadians per day.

Shooting deaths in Canada average less than 1 per day, with about half of those being gang related.
But yeah, guns are the problem. :roll:


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PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Fentanyl kills 11 Canadians per day.

Idiot drivers kill an average of 6 Canadians per day.

Shooting deaths in Canada average less than 1 per day, with about half of those being gang related.
But yeah, guns are the problem. :roll:


Nailed it.


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PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Fentanyl kills 11 Canadians per day.

Idiot drivers kill an average of 6 Canadians per day.

Shooting deaths in Canada average less than 1 per day, with about half of those being gang related.
But yeah, guns are the problem. :roll:


I don’t think guns need to be banned but all drivers are required to be licensed and insured and must also register their vehicles, including the long ones. The least we can do is expect the same from gun owners.

Oh and illegally selling a gun should be lifetime ban and a hefty jail sentence. And there should be a limit on how many guns a person could own, maybe no more than 5.


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BeaverFever BeaverFever:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Fentanyl kills 11 Canadians per day.

Idiot drivers kill an average of 6 Canadians per day.

Shooting deaths in Canada average less than 1 per day, with about half of those being gang related.
But yeah, guns are the problem. :roll:


I don’t think guns need to be banned but all drivers are required to be licensed and insured and must also register their vehicles, including the long ones. The least we can do is expect the same from gun owners.

Oh and illegally selling a gun should be lifetime ban and a hefty jail sentence. And there should be a limit on how many guns a person could own, maybe no more than 5.


To own a firearm, you must be licensed.

When you buy a gun, you have to show your PAL and another form of ID and it has to be registered. Private or retail.

When buying a firearm or ammo, you need to show your PAL and another form of ID.


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Harper killed the long gun registry, it should be brought back. Owners should have to carry theft and liability insurance with hefty premium increases for guns that are “lost”, “stolen” or negligently discharged....too many of those should result in a permanent ban also.


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BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Harper killed the long gun registry, it should be brought back. Owners should have to carry theft and liability insurance with hefty premium increases for guns that are “lost”, “stolen” or negligently discharged....too many of those should result in a permanent ban also.


Of all the things facing Canada, this just isn’t a priority. It’s not for voters or for politicians. Rightfully so.

Gun control is an emotional political tool. Lots of grand ideas to catch headlines. It’s easy.


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Coach85 Coach85:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Harper killed the long gun registry, it should be brought back. Owners should have to carry theft and liability insurance with hefty premium increases for guns that are “lost”, “stolen” or negligently discharged....too many of those should result in a permanent ban also.


Of all the things facing Canada, this just isn’t a priority. It’s not for voters or for politicians. Rightfully so.

Gun control is an emotional political tool. Lots of grand ideas to catch headlines. It’s easy.


And as we've seen, the people that want the illegal guns will just manufacture their own. Money wasted on a registry that could have instead gone to enforcement.


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Coach85 Coach85:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
I don’t think guns need to be banned but all drivers are required to be licensed and insured and must also register their vehicles, including the long ones. The least we can do is expect the same from gun owners.

Oh and illegally selling a gun should be lifetime ban and a hefty jail sentence. And there should be a limit on how many guns a person could own, maybe no more than 5.


To own a firearm, you must be licensed.

When you buy a gun, you have to show your PAL and another form of ID and it has to be registered. Private or retail.

When buying a firearm or ammo, you need to show your PAL and another form of ID.


R=UP

Guns are already highly regulated (more so than cars) and our laws are just fine as they are. They largely prevent nutjobs from getting assault rifles with huge magazines and shooting up their school/church/shopping mall/etc.

Unlike the Americans who cannot learn from dozens of mass shootings every year, Canada learned its lesson after the Ecole Polytechnique shooting.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:36 am
 


BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I don’t think guns need to be banned but all drivers are required to be licensed and insured and must also register their vehicles, including the long ones. The least we can do is expect the same from gun owners.

Oh and illegally selling a gun should be lifetime ban and a hefty jail sentence. And there should be a limit on how many guns a person could own, maybe no more than 5.


Steps required to purchase non restricted and restricted firearms,....

https://www.wikihow.com/Buy-a-Gun-in-Canada


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BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Harper killed the long gun registry, it should be brought back. Owners should have to carry theft and liability insurance with hefty premium increases for guns that are “lost”, “stolen” or negligently discharged....too many of those should result in a permanent ban also.


The long gun registry was an over complicated over budget mess. It would have been better to put that money into policing but instead it was pissed away. Contrary to popular city views some people need guns for the safety of themselves and family. And no I’m not talking about the boogie man I’m talking about farming where they are dealing with all sorts of wild life as well as abandoned dogs.


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BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Harper killed the long gun registry, it should be brought back. Owners should have to carry theft and liability insurance with hefty premium increases for guns that are “lost”, “stolen” or negligently discharged....too many of those should result in a permanent ban also.


No. This is just more beating up and demonizing the kind of people who are specifically not responsible in the slightest for the violent crime in Canadian cities. Not a single Toronto gangster behind the wave of murders in your city would be deterred in the slightest from their criminal lifestyle by anything you're proposing.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:15 am
 


I'm good with current Canadian laws. Definitely doesn't need to be more restrictive.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:21 am
 


Coach85 Coach85:
To own a firearm, you must be licensed.

When you buy a gun, you have to show your PAL and another form of ID and it has to be registered. Private or retail.

When buying a firearm or ammo, you need to show your PAL and another form of ID.


All of the above only applies to people who GAF about the law.


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