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CFE was almost a pro hockey posting that is for sure!!

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dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Streaker Streaker:

$22 billion flushed down the toilet.

And how much has been flushed down the gun registry's black hole? Comparatively speaking we're getting a hell of deal.

Maritime Patrol choppers cost a couple of bucks in cancelation fees and penalties also I think.

[bootlegga]

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bootlegga bootlegga:

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Are you serious?? Comparing the cold war Beer tours in LAhr and Baden to the Panjwai? I am pretty sure we would be back to square one if we all just stayed behind the wire, as I am sure the Taliban would cease operations because we were hanging out at Timmies on Kandahar Airfield. Better still, get the fleet off the Pakistani coast, that might deter things, as a matter of fact good idea, bring the troops home let the navy keep up our presence in the region (I am serious)

Please don't tell me what the navy does man, like I said you don't know anything about me.

I can't think you are anything but thick if you think that our deployment to Germany was a joke...yeah, WW3 and a nuclear holocaust would be sooooooo much easier to deal with than a few thousand terrorists in the mountains of a country 10,000 miles from Canada...

You've been in Afghanistan way too long if you think that is the only mission Canada has done in recent years that was worthwhile.

Actually you are the one who stated a posting to Germany was the same deterent that a presence inside the wire would be to the Taliban, just as our 4 Brigade deterred the Red Menace from rolling the mechanized divisions across Europe. As for not knowing about anything about recent Canadian missions, well I beg to differ, You are also the one apparently resorting to name calling now, to bad, this was actually a good discussion.

Sorry, pal, but you're putting words in my mouth. I have never said we should sit inside the wire to deter the Taliban. Please search all of CKA for such a post, because that's a blatant lie. Obviously you know nothing about me either...

All I said is that Canada has done plenty of missions WITHOUT combat that were very worthy of our time and money. You statements to the contrary, seem to proclaim that only combat missions are worth funding. Your own words compare deterring the Soviets to a 'Beer Tour' and the our fleet deployments are only trips to get pissed and paint our ships...whatever, for a guy who 'knows' the navy to say something like that...

Your last sentence especially makes absolutely no sense, given your recent PM to me;

$1:

ENOUGH WITH THE NAVY!!!!

lol

... Trust me, I know about the navy. No need to keep debating this in the forums!!!

I'm off for the weekend.

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Debating the naval fixation you seem to have.
The recent missions you speak of were NOT combat missions outside of some skirmishes here and there. I expect you may have enjoyed one with your militia experiences. You said we are better off sitting as a deterent. Deterent to what in Afghanistan exactly?? Fine and dandy if you have two warring factions to sit between, there is two warring factions in Afghanistan mind you US AND THEM. Why I ask you would sitting there help out our image? Let the terrorists take pot shots and not fight back??

[Donny_Brasco]

For 22 Billion dollars we could have done alot more good then blowing the shit out of everything and killing people's children.

How about a hospital and school in every major center. Would have won more hearts with that sort of thing then standing on a tank waving your gun and flag and scaring the shit out of civilians.

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Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Would have won more hearts with that sort of thing then standing on a tank waving your gun and flag and scaring the shit out of civilians.

Yeah, I guess you Indians have the market cornered on that one

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So I guess tossing your IMP's to the kids along with clothing sent over from Canadians who care is scaring civilians. Hostilities aside If you want to see those pics Donnie, feel free to PM me I would be happy to E-mail them to you.

Hard to put up hospitals and schools when the workers are bombed and shot at by the Taliban regularly

[roger-roger]

Do you love it PEN, all these military experts. We should have employed them when we landed in Kabul, we would have been out of Afghanistan in '05.

[OPP]

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Does Sweden even matter?

Pardon?

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Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

For 22 Billion dollars we could have done alot more good then blowing the shit out of everything and killing people's children.

How about a hospital and school in every major center. Would have won more hearts with that sort of thing then standing on a tank waving your gun and flag and scaring the shit out of civilians.

We could have got some subs that weren't used. Like a fleet of 212 BUT I for one am thankful we have gone to A-stan. For one it really reminded a lot of people who have frankly feel asleep at the wheel just how important it is not only to have an army but one that is trained, equipped and well supported. Paper tigers will not cut it and we need an army, every country does and countries without an army that can not stand without aid from others is useless.

I am sick to death of going to green/NDP conventions that disparage the need for an armed forces. These infantile and deranged notions are dangerous and any sober assessment will deem them as unworkable pipe dreams. It is a hard fight but we have set an example that Canada is no pushover and we have not only got our army to fighting trim we also have a prestige among nations such as the Dutch and the UK who we have worked with us directly under fire and know that WE CAN BE COUNTED UPON. Our word means something and we may be in a complex guerrilla war that has defeated even Alexander himself we have given our what for. Now, the people of Afghanistan have a future. I would like to say that it will be easy for them and that our work has been done but frankly it's now a path they have to take upon themselves. I wish them well.

[Thanos]

Scape Scape:

I am sick to death of going to green/NDP conventions that disparage the need for an armed forces. These infantile and deranged notions are dangerous and any sober assessment will deem them as unworkable pipe dreams.

.....WE CAN BE COUNTED UPON.

Our word means something.....

Word bro!

(But please turn off that signature that's spying on me. I find it to be darn rude.)

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Those subs were ordered LONG before 9/11 man

[bootlegga]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Do you love it PEN, all these military experts. We should have employed them when we landed in Kabul, we would have been out of Afghanistan in '05.

Given your signature, which sounds suspiciously like support for a military dictatorship, I really couldn't care less if you like what you're hearing or not. If you can't handle civilian oversight, go work for a mercenary outfit like Blackwater. Like the police, fire department, and post office, you (the CF) works for Canadians, not the other way around.

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Thanos Thanos:

Scape Scape:

I am sick to death of going to green/NDP conventions that disparage the need for an armed forces. These infantile and deranged notions are dangerous and any sober assessment will deem them as unworkable pipe dreams.

.....WE CAN BE COUNTED UPON.

Our word means something.....

Word bro!

(But please turn off that signature that's spying on me. I find it to be darn rude.)

Since you asked nicely instead of starting a dam thread about it, ok.

[bootlegga]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Debating the naval fixation you seem to have.
The recent missions you speak of were NOT combat missions outside of some skirmishes here and there. I expect you may have enjoyed one with your militia experiences. You said we are better off sitting as a deterent. Deterent to what in Afghanistan exactly?? Fine and dandy if you have two warring factions to sit between, there is two warring factions in Afghanistan mind you US AND THEM. Why I ask you would sitting there help out our image? Let the terrorists take pot shots and not fight back??

I NEVER said that we should sit behind the wire and 'deter' the Taliban.

Find such a quote of mine if you can. You can't because it doesn't exist...

I said, that we have been involved in plenty of missions which did not require combat, and which are every bit as legitimate as those that require combat.

LET ME BE CLEAR...40+ YEARS OF GARRISON DUTY IN EUROPE WAS AT LEAST AS IMPORTANT AS OUR CURRENT DEPLOYMENT IN AFGHANISTAN. PERSONALLY, GIVEN THAT WW3 WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE THAN ANYTHING THE TALIBAN/EL QAEDA HAS DONE, I'D ARGUE IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT. THE 'BOOZE CRUISES' THAT MARITIME COMMAND DOES EVERY YEAR, BE IT PROTECTING FOOD SHIPMENTS OFF SOMALIA OR TRAINING WITH RIMPAC OFF HAWAII, ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS AFGHANISTAN, SAME GOES FOR DEPLOYING DART TO PAKISTAN AND SRI LANKA.

IF you don't understand that, then I give up...there's no hope in even talking to you.