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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:51 am
 


Title: Ahmadinejad: Upheaval will reach Europe, America
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Posted By: Guy_Fawkes
Date: 2011-02-23 08:44:48


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:51 am
 


Keep talking brown eye.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:57 am
 


Don't worry Ahmedinejad, you can show them how to brutally crush dissent.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:24 am
 


He may not be wrong, but if I was him I would worry about myself first. We already know the Iranian people want freedom, and they are much better educated and together than say the Libyans. If they see success in Egypt or even Libya, they'll be back out on the streets and very hard to stop. Then we can see if he still thinks killing your own people is grotesque.

I have a feeling Arab leaders don't need toilet paper anymore, 'cause they're all shitting bricks.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:41 am
 


I agree with him about Europe but not the USA. Here we're so ingrained with the opinion that we have power over the government that, save radicals on both extremes, the majority realize that any revolution need only take place at the ballot box.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:45 am
 


Upheaval doesn't mean just revolt or revolution. I think the Teaparty was already an upheaval, and my guess is that when people realize they can't provide a free lunch either, there'll be more political upheavals back and forth. The 60's was a time of upheaval. No full scale revolution, but lots of revolutionary change.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:02 am
 


andyt andyt:
Upheaval doesn't mean just revolt or revolution. I think the Teaparty was already an upheaval, and my guess is that when people realize they can't provide a free lunch either, there'll be more political upheavals back and forth. The 60's was a time of upheaval. No full scale revolution, but lots of revolutionary change.


And fifty years later the revolutionaries are the ones who are undoing what was done in the 1960's.

Ending public employee unions seems to be the next thing to happen in the USA.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:03 am
 


andyt andyt:
He may not be wrong, but if I was him I would worry about myself first. We already know the Iranian people want freedom, and they are much better educated and together than say the Libyans. If they see success in Egypt or even Libya, they'll be back out on the streets and very hard to stop. Then we can see if he still thinks killing your own people is grotesque.

I have a feeling Arab leaders don't need toilet paper anymore, 'cause they're all shitting bricks.


So far at least the Iranian Revolutionary Guards have been able to beat at terrorize the opposition into submission. A lot of that would have to be undermined to do anything serious there.

I agree that Europe is finally going to have to confront the Islamic Radicals that have very successfully infested their nations with this Sharia-Jihad nonsense.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:05 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
andyt andyt:
Upheaval doesn't mean just revolt or revolution. I think the Teaparty was already an upheaval, and my guess is that when people realize they can't provide a free lunch either, there'll be more political upheavals back and forth. The 60's was a time of upheaval. No full scale revolution, but lots of revolutionary change.


And fifty years later the revolutionaries are the ones who are undoing what was done in the 1960's.

Ending public employee unions seems to be the next thing to happen in the USA.


It seems like that is going on now starting in Wisconsin.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:06 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Ending public employee unions seems to be the next thing to happen in the USA.


And if they replace unions with a fair system of awarding wages, I'd be all for it. Strikes by govt workers don't really makes sense, since their employer doesn't face the same economic pressures. But if the only result is your teachers and police and firemen being paid shit wages and losing their pensions, well good luck with what that will do to your society.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:08 am
 


andyt andyt:
Upheaval doesn't mean just revolt or revolution. I think the Teaparty was already an upheaval, and my guess is that when people realize they can't provide a free lunch either, there'll be more political upheavals back and forth. The 60's was a time of upheaval. No full scale revolution, but lots of revolutionary change.


We certainly have our share of lunatic nuts especially on the right, but ultimately if there is change we've managed to do that at the ballot box.

I am extremely grateful that I live in North America.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:13 am
 


Actually, with the enormous amounts of money the military chows down, the place to start cutting salaries. After all those people are serving their country, so they should be doing it out of a sense of duty, not what the country can do for them. And cut their pensions, once they're used up, let em get jobs in the real world like everybody else. And what's up with all those health benefits they get - let em get private insurance like the rest of America - maybe give them an HMO plan or something. Those people have been sucking off the government tit for far too long. The free ride is over.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:14 pm
 


andyt andyt:
Actually, with the enormous amounts of money the military chows down, the place to start cutting salaries. After all those people are serving their country, so they should be doing it out of a sense of duty, not what the country can do for them. And cut their pensions, once they're used up, let em get jobs in the real world like everybody else. And what's up with all those health benefits they get - let em get private insurance like the rest of America - maybe give them an HMO plan or something. Those people have been sucking off the government tit for far too long. The free ride is over.


You don't even need to cut military salaries/pensions all that much, maybe 5% or something. After all, there are over a million people in the US armed forces. That should save billions every year.

But if you really want to save money, just slice off 1% or 2% of new capital purchases. Instead of ordering 2500 JSFs, order 2450-2475 and save a ton of money (65 JSF are going to cost Canada about $9 billion for the planes and another $6-7 billion in maintenance over their lifespan). They wouldn't save that much because unit cost would increase a bit, but I'm sure they could save at least a few billion with just that one purchase.

Of course, some people will say that the USA needs a dozen supercarriers (when no other naiton even fields one), 2500+ fifth generation fighters (when the only other 5th generation fighters in the world are in the hands of the NATO allies), and so on.

There is nothing wrong with the US spending big bucks on defence if they feel it is a priority, but does it really need to spend the same and the next 10 nations COMBINED? I guess you get the government you elect - and for three generations Americans have elected one that insists on outspending everyone else in the world on defence. At some point, someone needs to draw a line.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:16 pm
 


bootlegga bootlegga:

There is nothing wrong with the US spending big bucks on defence if they feel it is a priority, but does it really need to spend the same and the next 10 nations COMBINED?



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:21 pm
 


andyt andyt:
But if the only result is your teachers and police and firemen being paid shit wages and losing their pensions, well good luck with what that will do to your society.


Seems the schools in the USA have suffered since the advent of unions. Undoing that certainly won't harm classroom performance.


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