[uwish]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Coach85 Coach85:

At what point do our First Nations people take some self accountability?

Right around the same time Canada does, maybe?

so the PM's current apology tour and years and years and billions of dollars don't count?

[Zipperfish]

uwish uwish:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Coach85 Coach85:

At what point do our First Nations people take some self accountability?

Right around the same time Canada does, maybe?

so the PM's current apology tour and years and years and billions of dollars don't count?

Treaties. BC is mostly unceded land.

[uwish]

treaties = money we have already paid thanks

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

White supremacists can't help it. They can't let something like that go by without a reminder of white superiority.

You really hate white people, don't you?

No, but not crazy about white supremacists considering the damage they've done. Nazis, Ku Klux Klan. I find the idea that other races are inferior repulsive.

[Zipperfish]

uwish uwish:

treaties = money we have already paid thanks

Treaties do not equal money. I think you need to take the course that Saskatchewan is offering.

[uwish]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

uwish uwish:

treaties = money we have already paid thanks

Treaties do not equal money. I think you need to take the course that Saskatchewan is offering.

I am FROM Sask, stop using the willing victim approach, it's time indians own up to their own choices and stop blaming everyone but themselves for their poor lifestyle choices.

[llama66]

What needs to happen is a final resolution to this, we can't just keep paying out and paying out. Let them have self governance, let them create an advisory board for natural resources, but to offset, kill the Indian Act, and end the financial support in its current form. Reconciliation is all well and good, but but at some point we all have to move on.

[Zipperfish]

uwish uwish:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

uwish uwish:

treaties = money we have already paid thanks

Treaties do not equal money. I think you need to take the course that Saskatchewan is offering.

I am FROM Sask, stop using the willing victim approach, it's time indians own up to their own choices and stop blaming everyone but themselves for their poor lifestyle choices.

I know you are. And if you took the course, you'd find out that Canada, by international law and by its own law (as confirmed by several decisions of the Supreme Court decisions) must recognize indigenous rights and title. It's a legal obligation. Canada, BC and the First Nations in BC are moving forward with this.

[llama66]

I'm for recognizing rights, but the ATM mentality must end.

[Zipperfish]

llama66 llama66:

I'm for recognizing rights, but the ATM mentality must end.

Yup.

[fifeboy]

Coach85 Coach85:

It's not racist to blame them for the problem. They are to blame.

Of course, there are circumstances where people are driven to drugs due to life circumstances or those circumstances of those in our past but for the vast majority, it's just an excuse...or an excuse to cry racism.

At what point do our First Nations people take some self accountability?

Family is what society has been built on. First Nations and many Metis were taken away from their families and forced into residential schools where several generations were not taught what a family is or how one operates. This was imposed on them. Now they aren’t and everyone expects them to act like middle class goodies. By the way, many are.

Like I said, I live in Saskatchewan . In many places here Aboriginal people are treated like dogs. Try being in a small town in this province. It’s obvious being an Indian isn’t great.

And of course, in the end it’s their responsibility to get out of their rut, but it’s our responsibility to not stand st the rim of the rut kicking them back in. That’s all I’ve got to say about this and will withdraw from the conversation.

[uwish]

I don't think anyone is denying that people should be treated fairly and with respect. But that is a two way street, all I (and others) appear to want, is an end to the endless money train that is the 'indian' issue. It's like trying to take candy away from a baby, the first thing is crying, then 'racist' is next. If it wasn't so tragic it would be comical.

I think we all want a way to heal the past, make people feel proud and responsible and move forward. But it just seems at every turn, they play the willing victim and we capitulate because otherwise we are the bad bad white man. All I know is, this indian issue is tragic on all fronts, the past was horrid but well within what was happening during THAT time. We don't live in that time now, I don't, and I am tired of being treated like it was my fault.

Let's all move on, move forward and build something better.

[llama66]

uwish uwish:

I don't think anyone is denying that people should be treated fairly and with respect. But that is a two way street, all I (and others) appear to want, is an end to the endless money train that is the 'indian' issue. It's like trying to take candy away from a baby, the first thing is crying, then 'racist' is next. If it wasn't so tragic it would be comical.

I think we all want a way to heal the past, make people feel proud and responsible and move forward. But it just seems at every turn, they play the willing victim and we capitulate because otherwise we are the bad bad white man. All I know is, this indian issue is tragic on all fronts, the past was horrid but well within what was happening during THAT time. We don't live in that time now, I don't, and I am tired of being treated like it was my fault.

Let's all move on, move forward and build something better.

This. This is all any of us want.

[Coach85]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Coach85 Coach85:

It's not racist to blame them for the problem. They are to blame.

Of course, there are circumstances where people are driven to drugs due to life circumstances or those circumstances of those in our past but for the vast majority, it's just an excuse...or an excuse to cry racism.

At what point do our First Nations people take some self accountability?

Family is what society has been built on. First Nations and many Metis were taken away from their families and forced into residential schools where several generations were not taught what a family is or how one operates. This was imposed on them. Now they aren’t and everyone expects them to act like middle class goodies. By the way, many are.

Like I said, I live in Saskatchewan . In many places here Aboriginal people are treated like dogs. Try being in a small town in this province. It’s obvious being an Indian isn’t great.

And of course, in the end it’s their responsibility to get out of their rut, but it’s our responsibility to not stand st the rim of the rut kicking them back in. That’s all I’ve got to say about this and will withdraw from the conversation.

Why enter a conversation, voice your opinion and then bow out? I don't get that. Are you not happy with what others are saying?

[Coach85]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I know you are. And if you took the course, you'd find out that Canada, by international law and by its own law (as confirmed by several decisions of the Supreme Court decisions) must recognize indigenous rights and title. It's a legal obligation. Canada, BC and the First Nations in BC are moving forward with this.

And what does all of that mean for our FN people?

NOTHING.

It's a crutch. An excuse. If all of these treaties/land claims, etc were sorted out today, our FN's people would still be living in 3rd world conditions with major issues with booze and drugs.