[herbie]

So Martin you thought all those circumcised guys you saw in the locker room were all Jews?
Explains your weird outlook on things.

[BeaverFever]

After years of "snuffleupagus" "turtleneck" and "dick cheese" jokes, he'd grown up to blame the Jews for it all.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Awesome--are we finally going to stop genital mutilation of baby boys for religious purposes?

It shouldn't even be done for spurious 'health' purposes.

[N_Fiddledog]

I'll take a Jewish circumcision over South African style any day.

$1:

CAPE TOWN - South African doctors have successfully performed the world's first penis transplant on a 21-year-old man whose organ had been amputated three years ago after a botched circumcision.

The nine-hour operation, which took place in December, was part of a pilot study by Tygerberg Hospital in Cape Town and the University of Stellenbosch to help the 250 or so young South African men who lose their penises each year after coming-of-age rituals go wrong.

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=89685

[Jabberwalker]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

After years of "snuffleupagus" "turtleneck" and "dick cheese" jokes, he'd grown up to blame the Jews for it all.

It's the default setting. Check any history book.

[andyt]

FinnyTheDog FinnyTheDog:

As far as Winston Blackmore / Bountiful BC, the main legal issue I've always heard about was polygamy (he has 24 wives).

The RCMP were ready to lay polygamy charges against Blackmore back in the early 1990s, but the BC AG's department declined because they didn't think it would survive a Charter test.

No, the main issue is that girls are married off as young as 12. Some have been brought from or shipped to the US for that purpose. The US was finally able to put the leader in jail for statutory rape. Why the BC government is OK with this is beyond me.

[herbie]

Cuz we don't have to pay for a court case or jail time.

[andyt]

I think it's our own version of political correctness, like with the "Asians" in England. BC says it's afraid of a charter challenge - I doubt that "marrying" girls at 12 would pass a charter challenge. Why the focus on polygamy? Who cares about polygamy? What about the abuse of young girls?

[FinnyTheDog]

Wheels of justice turn (real) slow sometime.

Bountiful timeline:

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October 1991 — RCMP conclude a 13-month investigation and recommend charges be laid against Winston Blackmore and Dalmon Oler for practising polygamy.

June 1992 — B.C. attorney general Colin Gabelman decides not to lay charges after getting legal opinions that the polygamy section of the Criminal Code would not withstand a charter challenge.

Aug. 1, 2007 — Special prosecutor Richard Peck recommends to BC AG Wally Oppal that rather than laying charges, the province should refer the polygamy law to the B.C. Court of Appeal to determine whether it is constitutionally sound. Oppal disagrees.

Sept. 7, 2007 — Oppal appoints another special prosecutor, Leonard Doust to review the evidence RCMP collected and review Peck’s decision.

April 7, 2008 — Doust reports to Oppal that he agrees with Peck and recommends a court reference. Oppal is still not convinced.

June 2, 2008 — Oppal appoints Terry Robertson as special prosecutor, who subsequently asks RCMP to do more investigating.

Jan. 6, 2009 — RCMP Sgt. Terry Jacklin swears information about Oler and Winston Blackmore, charging each with one count of practising polygamy.

Jan. 7, 2009 — Blackmore and Oler are arrested and taken to Cranbrook, B.C., where they are charged and released with conditions.

Sept. 23, 2009 — Criminal polygamy charges against Winston Blackmore and Oler are thrown out by B.C. Supreme Court Judge Sunni Stromberg-Stein.

Nov. 22, 2010 — A reference case to determine the constitutionality of Section 293 of the Criminal Code of Canada, which outlaws polygamy, begins before Chief Justice Robert Bauman of the B.C. Supreme Court.

Nov. 23, 2011 — Justice Bauman, after hearing 42 days of legal arguments with opposing parties arguing the right to religious freedom and the risk of harm polygamy poses to women and children, rules to uphold Canada’s polygamy laws as constitutional, but says they cannot be used to prosecute children aged 12 to 17.

2012 - Shirley Bond, BC AG, appoints Peter Wilson as a special prosecutor. He approves charges against Blackmore and Oler in August.

Feb 27, 2015 - Less than a month before he was to appear in court to decide on a judge or jury trial, Winston Blackmore filed a petition to the court asking the province’s Supreme Court to quash a polygamy charge against him.
The petition argues the B.C. attorney general improperly appointed Peter Wilson, the special prosecutor who laid the charge against Blackmore and three other men.

It’s a similar argument to one Blackmore’s lawyer successfully made in 2009, when a judge tossed a polygamy charge because of how the province appointed its special prosecutor.

[andyt]

Bountiful was founded in 1946. And that timeline makes no mention of the sexual abuse of young girls. why can the US charge these fucks for statutory rape, but not us?

[ShepherdsDog]

Just curious......can a man legally live with more than one woman in a common law union?

[andyt]

$1:

"293(1). Every one who practises or enters into or in any manner agrees or consents to practise or enter into any form of polygamy, or any kind of conjugal union with more than one person at the same time, whether or not it is by law recognized as a binding form of marriage, or celebrates, assists or is a party to a rite, ceremony, contract or consent that purports to sanction (such) a relationship .... is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years."

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/Polygamy.aspx

[FinnyTheDog]

While I didn't mention it in the timeline sexual exploitation of children charges were considered.

One thing the US had going for it in the prosecution of Warren Jeffs was people willing to testify against him.

[raydan]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Just curious......can a man legally live with more than one woman in a common law union?

In Canada, polygamy is a criminal offense under Section 293 of the Canadian Criminal Code, which provides for five years imprisonment in this context, but prosecutions are rare. As of January 2009, no person has been prosecuted for polygamy in Canada in over sixty years. However, Edith Barlow, a mother of five in the polygamous community of Bountiful, B.C., was denied permanent residence and was asked to leave the country after ten years in Canada.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

The honor killings we've had out here were all perpetrated by Sikhs. Haven't had one Moooooslim do it here.

Bull-fucking-shit.

At least 2 of the last 12 were Muslims. And some of those "Sikhs" were in fact Hindus. But I guess all Indians are Sikhs to you. It's always funny when bigots admonish others for their supposed or genuine bigotry.

andyt andyt:

When the attitude is that this is just a thing between brown people, nothing to do with Canada, that's a problem.

You have once again fundamentally displayed a complete lack of knowledge on the subject. Yes, in Canada we have domestic violence towards women. The big difference between the two is an "honour killing" is usually a family affair. Whereas your average wife-beater generally doesn't get his family, including children, involved in the "fun". In fact they usually try to hide their assholery from their own family.
Nor have a I ever heard the average wife-beater attempt to use "family honour" as a defence for his actions. Not that any defence other than genuine self-defence would be excusable.