[Jughead]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Jughead this is kind of mean of me to say but damn if it doesn't fit.

A 20 year Canadian citizen isn't allowed to have any criticism of the country but your allowed to rant and rave all you want about how stupid she is for speaking out against a law that violates the very multiculturalism that Canada is so proud of?

Your a special kind of stupid aren't ya?

I am not Ms. Marois biggest fan, not by far, however I do agree with her on this one. I am not alone on this. I am a part of the 25% of English speakers in Quebec that support her charter. So I guess you're calling them stupid as well?

Multiculturalism doesn't work as Ms. Marois pointed out with her reference to England as a good example. I fully support a multiethnic society, but not multiculturalism. Given time, the issues present in Europe will hit us as well. Newcomers here need to assimilate. Bottom line, I support a melting pot approach, not multiculturalism.

[ShepherdsDog]

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Multiculturalism doesn't work as Ms. Marois pointed out with her reference to England as a good example. I fully support a multiethnic society, but not multiculturalism.

Even the British PM has said that multiculturalism has been a failure. It stresses differences rather than trying to create a bonding national identity. Creating ghettos isn't a way to build a nation. It has only created divisions. If Jeff 'thinks' you're a special kind of stupid, you can tell him you've found some common ground. Come to our house, yes, but don't ask that it be redecorated to suit your tastes.

[andyt]

I've never been a fan of multikulti, but legislating what people can wear on their heads is a special kind of stupid.

Keep faces uncovered when security demands it. And the exemptions sikhs get for not wearing hard hats and motorcycle helmets are some real multikulti pretzel logic. But if I want to wear a beanie on my head, leave me alone. Are they going to ban those Hassidic dreadlocks and fedoras, but when some hipster wears his fedora it's OK 'cause he's wearing skinny jeans to go with it?

Both sides have taken way too extreme positions on this issue. The multikultis have bent over way too far backwards, the reactionaries are bending too far forwards in response.

[andyt]

Jughead Jughead:

Any involvement or participation of any activity that promotes the breakup of our country in my opinion is a matter of national security.

Arrest the PQ and Bloc then. Or is it not a matter of national security solely on the basis of where the person was born?

[Jabberwalker]

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I've never been a fan of multikulti, but legislating what people can wear on their heads is a special kind of stupid.

too true

Marois is using this as a wedge. It has nothing to do with Quebec's cultural identity and everything to do with trying to create (yet another) OUTRAGE!! against the Quebec people by mean, old Canada. She has devoted her life to independence and any tool at hand ...

[andyt]

I've been reading analysis that this could seriously blow up in her face and really split the separatist movement. Permanently alienate Montreal from the rest of Quebec (and not just the anglos). Also, JT could benefit from this, since he came out early against this sort of nonsense.

[CanadianJeff]

Jughead Jughead:

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Jughead this is kind of mean of me to say but damn if it doesn't fit.

A 20 year Canadian citizen isn't allowed to have any criticism of the country but your allowed to rant and rave all you want about how stupid she is for speaking out against a law that violates the very multiculturalism that Canada is so proud of?

Your a special kind of stupid aren't ya?

I am not Ms. Marois biggest fan, not by far, however I do agree with her on this one. I am not alone on this. I am a part of the 25% of English speakers in Quebec that support her charter. So I guess you're calling them stupid as well?

Multiculturalism doesn't work as Ms. Marois pointed out with her reference to England as a good example. I fully support a multiethnic society, but not multiculturalism. Given time, the issues present in Europe will hit us as well. Newcomers here need to assimilate. Bottom line, I support a melting pot approach, not multiculturalism.

First of all drop the straw-man. You don't have a damn argument which is why I was calling you stupid for the "if you don't like it get out" attitude to a woman who has been here for 20 years.

You haven't presented a single argument here at all other then insults towards a woman who frankly had the balls to stand up against her party when she felt they were in the wrong. That takes some serious risks in Canada where the party system has such a huge hold on the electorate.

So man up and actually make an argument if you don't want to be called stupid and stop with the damn "get out" crap. It's nothing short of pure ignorance and cowardice.

[Jughead]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Jughead Jughead:

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Jughead this is kind of mean of me to say but damn if it doesn't fit.

A 20 year Canadian citizen isn't allowed to have any criticism of the country but your allowed to rant and rave all you want about how stupid she is for speaking out against a law that violates the very multiculturalism that Canada is so proud of?

Your a special kind of stupid aren't ya?

I am not Ms. Marois biggest fan, not by far, however I do agree with her on this one. I am not alone on this. I am a part of the 25% of English speakers in Quebec that support her charter. So I guess you're calling them stupid as well?

Multiculturalism doesn't work as Ms. Marois pointed out with her reference to England as a good example. I fully support a multiethnic society, but not multiculturalism. Given time, the issues present in Europe will hit us as well. Newcomers here need to assimilate. Bottom line, I support a melting pot approach, not multiculturalism.

First of all drop the straw-man. You don't have a damn argument which is why I was calling you stupid for the "if you don't like it get out" attitude to a woman who has been here for 20 years.

You haven't presented a single argument here at all other then insults towards a woman who frankly had the balls to stand up against her party when she felt they were in the wrong. That takes some serious risks in Canada where the party system has such a huge hold on the electorate.

So man up and actually make an argument if you don't want to be called stupid and stop with the damn "get out" crap. It's nothing short of pure ignorance and cowardice.

My ancestors fought and died for this great country, and I'll be damned if some outsider comes here and tries to destroy it.

I'll repeat what I said earlier, an expression I'm sure you've heard many times, and one that I grew up with in regards to our great country: "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT"

[Unsound]

Jughead Jughead:

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I'll repeat what I said earlier, an expression I'm sure you've heard many times, and one that I grew up with in regards to our great country: "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT"

Being allowed to express unpopular political views, including the view that the country ought to be broken up is one of the things that makes this country what it is. If you don't love that, why don't you leave?

[ShepherdsDog]

his beef isn't with the frogs, it's with the wogs.

[Jughead]

Looks like there's a lot of tension in the air these days. Here's an ugly incident that occurred recently in Quebec City:

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Ugly incident of bigotry in Quebec mall underscores nasty side of values debate

If you want more evidence of what the Parti Quebecois' proposed values charter can do to the tone of debate over cultural diversity in the province, look no further than the experience of Badia Senouci.

The Algerian immigrant and her family were shopping at a mall in the Quebec City suburb of Ste-Foy a couple of weeks ago when she was accosted by a woman who demanded she take off her hijab, the headscarf worn by some devote Muslim women, and that she change her religion.

"She told me, 'Madame, change your religion," Senouci said, according to CBC News.

After Senouci argued that in Canada she was free to practice her religion, the woman said the government would soon be forcing her to take off her hijab.

The confrontation escalated into an apparent assault when the woman spit in the face of Senouci's teenage son when he stepped in to ask her to stop harassing his mother.

A tussle ensued that apparently involved the teen and Senouci's husband, Abadelmalek Mansouri. The woman fell, later claiming to police that the two men were responsible. However Mansouri said police released him after reviewing security video footage of the incident, CBC News reported.

The Canadian Press reported Senouci has lived in Quebec City for 14 years without facing overt discrimination. In an account in La Presse, she blamed Quebec Premier Pauline Marois' plans to embed state secularization in a so-called charter of values for the incident.

The most contentious element of the proposal involves barring public-sector workers from wearing "ostentatious" symbols of their religion, including hijabs, Sikh turbans, Jewish skullcaps or Christian crucifixes considered overly large. Small crosses and Stars of David would be OK.

Read the full story here:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybre ... 23355.html

[CanadianJeff]

So I tell you this person is a Canadian citizen and not an outsider because she has lived here for 20 years. We allow 18 year olds to vote. She has been here longer then some people who are voting have been alive. Your being an idiot.

Then I call you out on that and tell you to please present an argument if you actually have one and you again repeat the same tripe.

It's been confirmed. On this topic at least you are indeed a special kind of stupid. Congratulations.

[Jabberwalker]

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I am a part of the 25% of English speakers in Quebec that support her charter. So I guess you're calling them stupid as well?

I was born, raised in Quebec (Anglo) and I have spent half of my life there (including a patch fairly recently). I would say that Quebec, generally, is about a third of a century behind the Canadian mainstream in a whole lot of ways. It's striking when you leave and come back how "Troc" has passed the place by. The place is fairly isolated and, in some ways, the clocks stopped ticking back in the 1970's. You are not stupid ... just a bit off of the program.

[Jughead]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

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I am a part of the 25% of English speakers in Quebec that support her charter. So I guess you're calling them stupid as well?

I was born, raised in Quebec (Anglo) and I have spent half of my life there (including a patch fairly recently). I would say that Quebec, generally, is about a third of a century behind the Canadian mainstream in a whole lot of ways. It's striking when you leave and come back how "Troc" has passed the place by. The place is fairly isolated and, in some ways, the clocks stopped ticking back in the 1970's. You are not stupid ... just a bit off of the program.

Not really off the program, but in it. Although I was born and bred in Montreal, I did live a good portion of my adult life in the United States (the South West).

As for name calling, it doesn't bother me. I am a man of faith, so I don't engage in name calling nor do I ever use foul language. I trust the spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ to guide me to my salvation.