[Brenda]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

We're an endangered species, though. There was a time in our history when we were down to one breeding pair.

Too bad those were brother and sister.

[Zipperfish]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

I'm not a meany.

Merry Christmas Zip.

And a merry Christmas to you too, Fugly Rug. All the best to you and yours this season.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I wouldn't consider 1 in 7 Canadians "a select few"...

$1:

The number of seniors aged 65 and over increased 14.1% between 2006 and 2011 to nearly 5 million.

Your entire post was overshadowed by your awful math.

1 in 7 Canadians don't have mobility problems.

Just because someone is a senior or disabled, doesn't mean they instantly have trouble getting around.

Yeah, good job there - base your opinions of ALL senior's health and frailty just on one of your grandparents.

Of course not all seniors have trouble getting around - however, lots of seniors can be affected by falls, which is what their concern is regarding mail delivery.

In case you've forgot what I wrote originally, I'll re-iterate...

$1:

Given that falls are one of the leading causes of injury/death roughly one-third of seniors over 65 fall each year (it jumps to 50% after age 80), this IS a real issue.

Falls can also affect future health - seniors are more likely to die from surgical procedures, a fall can lead to medical complications (dehydration, pressure sores, hypothermia, and pneumonia), etc.

1/3 of 5 million is 1.67 million - again, hardly "a select few."

With many of them walking down the street to get their mail, I wouldn't be surprised if that number spikes in the winter months.

But who cares right? You don't mind paying more taxes to cover the increased health care costs of those falls and their complications, do you?

After all, Canada is running a huge surplus and we've got all sorts of money to throw at our problems...oh wait, that's right, our current government pissed it away a year after they took office.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yeah, good job there - base your opinions of ALL senior's health and frailty just on one of your grandparents.

Yes, because I've never seen or worked with seniors ever before. The only senior I know is my grandmother.

Glad to see your math is coming around to legit levels.

bootlegga bootlegga:

Of course not all seniors have trouble getting around - however, lots of seniors can be affected by falls, which is what their concern is regarding mail delivery.

In case you've forgot what I wrote originally, I'll re-iterate...

But who cares right? You don't mind paying more taxes to cover the increased health care costs of those falls and their complications, do you?

After all, Canada is running a huge surplus and we've got all sorts of money to throw at our problems...oh wait, that's right, our current government pissed it away a year after they took office.

So where was your outrage when many rural and some suburban communities went with the community box 20-30 years ago?

Why is this an issue now? (We all know you and the left are using the disabled and seniors to grandstand)

P.S. Paying off debt isn't pissing away money, as Harper did in 2006. Coming from the guy that can't afford a video game, your financial advice is just as funny as it is inaccurate.

[Brenda]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

P.S. Paying off debt isn't pissing away money, as Harper did in 2006. Coming from the guy that can't afford a video game, your financial advice is just as funny as it is inaccurate.

Meh, that was kind of unnecessary.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yeah, good job there - base your opinions of ALL senior's health and frailty just on one of your grandparents.

Yes, because I've never seen or worked with seniors ever before. The only senior I know is my grandmother.

Glad to see your math is coming around to legit levels.

That's what happens when you use anecdotal evidence to support you argument...I could easily have done the same, but chose to use real evidence from credible sources instead of just talking about someone I know.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Of course not all seniors have trouble getting around - however, lots of seniors can be affected by falls, which is what their concern is regarding mail delivery.

In case you've forgot what I wrote originally, I'll re-iterate...

But who cares right? You don't mind paying more taxes to cover the increased health care costs of those falls and their complications, do you?

After all, Canada is running a huge surplus and we've got all sorts of money to throw at our problems...oh wait, that's right, our current government pissed it away a year after they took office.

So where was your outrage when many rural and some suburban communities went with the community box 20-30 years ago?

Why is this an issue now? (We all know you and the left are using the disabled and seniors to grandstand)

Well, I wasn't posting online and odds are you weren't either.

I did however write a letter back in the day to protest that too - it didn't make any sense to me that some people got door-to-door service and others didn't.

It made even less sense when my buddy moved a couple blocks away (in Edmonton, not a rural area) into a 'new development' and got the superbox while I still got door-to-door service.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

P.S. Paying off debt isn't pissing away money, as Harper did in 2006.

Paying off debt? Please explain to me, oh financial guru, how one pays off debt by going further into debt.

The Debt has INCREASED for most of the time Harper has been in office - he paid it down a bit in 2006 and 2007, but he's been racking up the credit card bills so fast that all the hard work (and all its attendant hardships) by the previous government has been undone.

The debt is higher today than it was under Chretien.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Coming from the guy that can't afford a video game, your financial advice is just as funny as it is inaccurate.

I can afford any video game I want - I waffled buying it because it makes little sense to me to spend $60 on something I might only play a few times.

And I was right in that regard - I did buy COD last year during Boxing Week and have played it only a couple of times (mostly because it is too graphic to play when my four year old is around).

That's exactly why I haven't rushed out to buy the latest and greatest thing this year.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

That's what happens when you use anecdotal evidence to support you argument...I could easily have done the same, but chose to use real evidence from credible sources instead of just talking about someone I know.

I guess you missed the sarcasm in that post.

bootlegga bootlegga:

Paying off debt? Please explain to me, oh financial guru, how one pays off debt by going further into debt.

Did you forget what you said? I'm speaking directly to your quote.

$1:

oh wait, that's right, our current government pissed it away a year after they took office

You know that's incorrect as you just stated as much above. However, it's typical for Liberals such as yourself to refer to debt repayment as "pissing away" money.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

That's what happens when you use anecdotal evidence to support you argument...I could easily have done the same, but chose to use real evidence from credible sources instead of just talking about someone I know.

I guess you missed the sarcasm in that post.

No, I got it alright, but I felt it was necessary to explain the obvious since you're being so thick-headed is this thread...

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Paying off debt? Please explain to me, oh financial guru, how one pays off debt by going further into debt.

Did you forget what you said? I'm speaking directly to your quote.

$1:

oh wait, that's right, our current government pissed it away a year after they took office

You know that's incorrect as you just stated as much above. However, it's typical for Liberals such as yourself to refer to debt repayment as "pissing away" money.

They certainly did piss away the surplus, which is why we have a deficit to this day - one that is almost structural because of their tax cuts and increased spending. They cut so many taxes so fast that they ran a deficit in 2008 - even though the economic crisis didn't start until October.

I don't hold the 2009 or 2010 deficits against them, simply because every government in the world was doing it too (and so would have the Liberals had they been in office).

Still, they've had two full years since that and despite all the crowing over how great Canada has weathered the economic crisis, they've still tacked another 50+ billion onto our debt.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/canada-deficit/

The notion that the Conservatives are great money managers is just as much of a lie as the notion that they are the only party that cares about the military.

[Jabberwalker]

$1:

The notion that the Conservatives are great money managers is just as much of a lie as the notion that they are the only party that cares about the military.

Perhaps so but there is zero proof over the last half century that the other ones are even remotely competent at it, either. The Trudeau Liberals ran up a tab that took a generation to get under control.

[Brenda]

So both suck.

What's new about that??

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

No, I got it alright, but I felt it was necessary to explain the obvious since you're being so thick-headed is this thread...

The only thing obvious is your partisanship is blinding you from a decision that's long overdue from Canada Post which should have been done decades ago.

You and many on the left are using the disabled and elderly to make a political point. Had this been a Justin Trudeau led government, this decision would be talked about as 'long overdue' and 'responsible for the long-term health of Canada Post'.

bootlegga bootlegga:

They certainly did piss away the surplus, which is why we have a deficit to this day - one that is almost structural because of their tax cuts and increased spending. They cut so many taxes so fast that they ran a deficit in 2008 - even though the economic crisis didn't start until October.

Incorrect. They used the surplus to pay down the debt. None of that money went to tax cuts.

We have a deficit to this day because of the recession. Period. Had taxes been left the same, we'd still be in deficit due to the state of the global economy.

Did they make changes to taxation that put them in a bad spot following those years of debt repayment? Yes. However, did that have a positive or negative effect on our recovery from the recession? Or perhaps it had no effect at all.

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't hold the 2009 or 2010 deficits against them, simply because every government in the world was doing it too (and so would have the Liberals had they been in office).

Still, they've had two full years since that and despite all the crowing over how great Canada has weathered the economic crisis, they've still tacked another 50+ billion onto our debt.

How long does a global recession last?

Would you be praising Harper and Co. if they slashed and burned like Chretien and Martin....those same guys you Liberals hail as your financial hero's? We all know if they took the same approach, you'd be on here daily slamming them for ruining Canada.

bootlegga bootlegga:

The notion that the Conservatives are great money managers is just as much of a lie as the notion that they are the only party that cares about the military.

Agreed. None of them are great money managers or care enough about the military.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

No, I got it alright, but I felt it was necessary to explain the obvious since you're being so thick-headed is this thread...

The only thing obvious is your partisanship is blinding you from a decision that's long overdue from Canada Post which should have been done decades ago.

You and many on the left are using the disabled and elderly to make a political point. Had this been a Justin Trudeau led government, this decision would be talked about as 'long overdue' and 'responsible for the long-term health of Canada Post'.

I'm not "using" anyone for anything.

I'm simply stating what I have read from experts (about seniors and how falls affect their health) and what I've heard from seniors around Edmonton.

I personally don't have door-to-door service, so I have no vested interest in this, one way or the other. I have found it treacherous on occasion to get mail from the superbox (like last Monday after we had freezing rain on the weekend), but it isn't really a problem for me.

In an ideal world, I would have liked to see Canada Post come up with an option for seniors (maybe a charge to keep door-to-door service or something like that), but I do realize that Canada Post is fighting a losing battle to stay afloat because of changes in society and technology.

Still Canada Post is - for seniors at least (younger generations don't use it as much) - an essential service and it should be maintained. We spend a fortune on all sorts of things but don't have a billion for this? Sorry, I don't buy it.

If the Liberals or NDP were savvy, they would promise to re-instate it and steal a lot of votes from the Conservatives next election. If seniors here in Edmonton are indicative of seniors nation-wide, many of them are very upset by this change.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

They certainly did piss away the surplus, which is why we have a deficit to this day - one that is almost structural because of their tax cuts and increased spending. They cut so many taxes so fast that they ran a deficit in 2008 - even though the economic crisis didn't start until October.

Incorrect. They used the surplus to pay down the debt. None of that money went to tax cuts.

We have a deficit to this day because of the recession. Period. Had taxes been left the same, we'd still be in deficit due to the state of the global economy.

Did they make changes to taxation that put them in a bad spot following those years of debt repayment? Yes. However, did that have a positive or negative effect on our recovery from the recession? Or perhaps it had no effect at all.

No, the Harper government actually spent more money in the years before the crisis.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=gORzwR2 ... us&f=false

According to StatsCan (figures rounded of by myself), Martin spent $212 billion in 2005, while Harper spent $220B (2006), $230B (2007) & $247B (2008);

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableau ... 9b-eng.htm

Coupled with his cuts to the GST, income and corporate taxes, he essentially created the deficit before the crisis even started.

It's debatable whether or not we would have a deficit right now - the GST cut alone would provide close to $15 billion annually in revenues. Tack on the personal income tax cuts (.5 % IIRC) and the corporate tax cuts (an estimated $6 billion a year IIRC) and who knows?

Would it erase the current $26B deficit? Maybe, maybe not. But I'd prefer a $5 billion deficit than a $26 billion deficit. Maybe that's just the spendthrift liberal in me!

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't hold the 2009 or 2010 deficits against them, simply because every government in the world was doing it too (and so would have the Liberals had they been in office).

Still, they've had two full years since that and despite all the crowing over how great Canada has weathered the economic crisis, they've still tacked another 50+ billion onto our debt.

How long does a global recession last?

Would you be praising Harper and Co. if they slashed and burned like Chretien and Martin....those same guys you Liberals hail as your financial hero's? We all know if they took the same approach, you'd be on here daily slamming them for ruining Canada.

You know what - I may not personally have liked/enjoyed the slash and burn the Liberals undertook in the 90s, but it would be nice if it wasn't necessary once again. If the government keeps spending like a drunken sailor, it's going to be.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

The notion that the Conservatives are great money managers is just as much of a lie as the notion that they are the only party that cares about the military.

Agreed. None of them are great money managers or care enough about the military.

Finally - something we can agree on!

[Jabberwalker]

"May your Hareem be free of beards."

[old desert greeting]

[Centre]

[jj2424]

Lefties still trying to blame the superbox on Harper when it was Trudeau that took away 2/3rds of Canadians home delivery....way way back in the early 80's.

Priceless!