[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

How about your Tea Party coal baron heroes like Don Blankenship quit doing things like full mountaintop removal to get at coal, or underpaying and taking away all safety measures for the miners that are unlucky enough to be employed by him, before you get all smarmy with me?

Nope. It's your dumbass idea to shitcan your economy. You go first since you folks think this is such a bright idea.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

How about your Tea Party coal baron heroes like Don Blankenship quit doing things like full mountaintop removal to get at coal, or underpaying and taking away all safety measures for the miners that are unlucky enough to be employed by him, before you get all smarmy with me?

Nope. It's your dumbass idea to shitcan your economy. You go first since you folks think this is such a bright idea.

What we've got here is... failure to communicate.



Some men you just can't reach.



So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it.



Well, he gets it.



I don't like it any more than you men.











(all quotes by Strother Martin, 'Cool Hand Luke')

[BartSimpson]

I see. So strip mining and hard rock mining in Canada are somehow good while the same thing in the US is somehow bad. And the good Canadian mining firms don't make a profit like the bad Americans do.

You're outraging yourself again.

[Thanos]

Like Strother said so well, some men you just can't reach.

(and it's a damn shame that American politics have reached the depths it now has because thanks to reflexive doubling-down and backroom shenanigans coal mining and the use of coal for power generation (no matter how concretely and economically it's been proven that natural gas and nuclear are far better and far safer at performing the same task) will probably still be lurching along in the US long after every other reasonable country/society has finally gotten rid of it)

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Like Strother said so well, some men you just can't reach.

(and it's a damn shame that American politics have reached the depths it now has because thanks to reflexive doubling-down and backroom shenanigans coal mining and the use of coal for power generation (no matter how concretely and economically it's been proven that natural gas and nuclear are far better and far safer at performing the same task) will probably still be lurching along in the US long after every other reasonable country/society has finally gotten rid of it)

Meanwhile Canada's coal exports are expected to significantly increase this next fiscal year.

http://business.financialpost.com/news/ ... g-coalspur

Like I said, if you think ending coal production is such a FABULOUS!! idea then you go first.

And unless Canada stops mining, using, and exporting coal then don't mind me if my response to your hypocrisy is predictable:

[ShepherdsDog]

This Canadian would like some global warming right now.......

[Jabberwalker]

Everybody should have a nice, gas fired outdoor heater! Now, there's a sensible product!

[Regina]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

This Canadian would like some global warming right now.......

2nd that. Would be nice to add a week or two to golf season.

[Jabberwalker]

Great. Lots more chances to hike in the rough.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

It has? So installing Natgas wellheads and pads smack in the middle of residential neighbourhoods is moving forward? Fracking like it's going out of style is "moving forward"? Trillions of gallons of water being forever lost to us every year is moving forward?
O'Bummer is a fucking putz and the morons who actually think he's doing something positive for the environment are even fucking dumber than he is.

So you're against natural gas and fracking? What else would you like Canada to do to reduce ghg?

Uh, hey genius? Try following your own conversation. You said the US is moving forward and I asked you how that was moving forward.

Nice attempt at deflection though.

[2Cdo]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

It has? So installing Natgas wellheads and pads smack in the middle of residential neighbourhoods is moving forward? Fracking like it's going out of style is "moving forward"? Trillions of gallons of water being forever lost to us every year is moving forward?
O'Bummer is a fucking putz and the morons who actually think he's doing something positive for the environment are even fucking dumber than he is.

So you're against natural gas and fracking? What else would you like Canada to do to reduce ghg?

Uh, hey genius? Try following your own conversation. You said the US is moving forward and I asked you how that was moving forward.

Nice attempt at deflection though.

Andylogic, best not to even try to fathom what it entails. Got his head stuck in the microwave a few too many times I think.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

It has? So installing Natgas wellheads and pads smack in the middle of residential neighbourhoods is moving forward? Fracking like it's going out of style is "moving forward"? Trillions of gallons of water being forever lost to us every year is moving forward?
O'Bummer is a fucking putz and the morons who actually think he's doing something positive for the environment are even fucking dumber than he is.

So you're against natural gas and fracking? What else would you like Canada to do to reduce ghg?

Uh, hey genius? Try following your own conversation. You said the US is moving forward and I asked you how that was moving forward.

Nice attempt at deflection though.

AS I tried to explain to you, at least the US has a plan they have committed to. Your complaint that they haven't instantly stopped all actions you deem problematic is the deflection here. You seem to hold the US to a very high standard - the usual demand for perfection is the enemy of the good argument. Do you hold Canada to the same standard? Until the US achieves perfection, we do nothing?

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

AS I tried to explain to you, at least the US has a plan they have committed to. Your complaint that they haven't instantly stopped all actions you deem problematic is the deflection here. You seem to hold the US to a very high standard - the usual demand for perfection is the enemy of the good argument. Do you hold Canada to the same standard? Until the US achieves perfection, we do nothing?

What you fail to see is their plan is nothing but smoke and mirrors, but since it's a democrat in the White House you think it's a real plan. If a Republican followed this "plan" you'd be screaming how irresponsible they are for not following the mandate of the "climate-change priesthood".

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

AS I tried to explain to you, at least the US has a plan they have committed to. Your complaint that they haven't instantly stopped all actions you deem problematic is the deflection here. You seem to hold the US to a very high standard - the usual demand for perfection is the enemy of the good argument. Do you hold Canada to the same standard? Until the US achieves perfection, we do nothing?

Tried to explain? Once again, tell me what the fuck is so forward thinking about installing wellheads and pads in the middle of residential neighbourhoods? My "complaint" has nothing to do with the US not instantly stopping all actions that "I deem problematic". My problem is that you think a full on rush to produce as many wells as possible in a short as time as possible anywhere there's space for one, is somehow "moving forward".

Here's Firestone, Colorado.
http://www.nofrackingway.us/wp-content/ ... l+area.jpg

Here's Denton, Texas.
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1864370/image ... cebook.jpg
More from Denton
https://frackfreedenton.files.wordpress ... ?w=1000&h=
And another.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q5SrYLaZG78/0.jpg

From Ft. Worth, Texas.
http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp ... 38x424.jpg
http://www.texassharon.com/wp-content/u ... ssmall.jpg
http://www.resource-media.org/wp-conten ... cking1.jpg

More from Colorado.
http://www.summitdaily.com/csp/mediapoo ... image/jpeg

I could post links all day but my nurse is going to be here soon. But hey, if that's the kind of plan you want Canada to commit to as well, since apparently sticking to an awful plan is a great idea when forwarded by a Democrat, then maybe YOU should be committed.

Man, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts if Harper had the same plan for Canada, you'd be on your usual ansti-Harper rant about it. Railing on about how the Conservatives are in bed with Big Gas.

[andyt]

You're fixated on one aspect. This discussion is about a plan to reduce ghg production. Not locations of gas wells or other questions, that may be perfectly legitimate but have nothing to do with ghg production. I don't claim to know the ins and outs of the US plan, but if natural gas is being substituted for other carbon fuels, that is a good thing. Even if not, the bottom line is if there is a plan in place to reduce overall ghg output. I know in BC the govt is hell bent for leather to produce and ship as much lng as possible. Most of our fracking seems to be removed from where people live, but then we have a lot more of that space vs the US. I know there have been protests back east about fracking. So don't come on all holy about Canada vs the US in this regard. And we're digging and shipping coal and trying to expand the high ghg oilsands. We've got nothing to brag about, and we don't even have a plan to make changes. At least the US has started on that.

But sure keep on flapping about fracking if that makes you feel better. As if we didn't do it. As if fracking for gas the is the number one concern about ghg output.

Just the usual diversion argument - you should work for Harper.