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[BartSimpson]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

The CBC isn't biased. The cover news from both a Liberal angle and an anti-Conservative angle!

[Nuggie77]

QBall QBall:

Can we come up with a study to determine how to best dismantle the CBC, or at least cut it's funding and let it sink or swim on its own?

Really! Its about time we get rid of this "institution". I can't say I've ever really watched CBC other than HNIC or their Olympic coverage. Just not that interested in some of their "top quality" programming.

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[Zipperfish]

All news is biased.

That doesn't mean that the CBC will reach this simple and inexorable conclusion. I recall that CNN underwent a similar navel-gazing session a few years ago and determined that they were not biased. The analysis fails because those analyzing lack the wisdom to realize that their analysis itself is coloured.

I'm pretty left myself, and I see the CBC as just a little left-leaning to me, so that would indicate a left-bias to me.

The idea that the media leans left is a little silly. Consider the top-rated radio shows in North America:

The Rush Limbaugh Show – 20+ million
The Sean Hannity Show – 16+ million
The Savage Nation – 9+ million
Glenn Beck Program – 9+ million
The Dr. Laura Program – 9+ million
The Mark Levin Show – 6.25 million
The Laura Ingraham Show – 6.25 million
The Dave Ramsey Show – 6.25 million
Neal Boortz – 4.25+ million

That list is overwhelmingly conservative. Not to mention that the top-rated news network in North America is unabashedly conservative.

It's just one of the tropes that the radical right uses to try to get the media to say what they want it to say. Actually the radical left used it too--the idea of the media representing the corporate/political interests was championed by Norm Chomsky ("Manufacturing Consent"). I didn't find his argument compelling either.

If the CBC is making the governing Conservatives uncomfortable, then they are doing their job, as far as I'm concerned.

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[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

All news is biased.

That doesn't mean that the CBC will reach this simple and inexorable conclusion. I recall that CNN underwent a similar navel-gazing session a few years ago and determined that they were not biased. The analysis fails because those analyzing lack the wisdom to realize that their analysis itself is coloured.

I'm pretty left myself, and I see the CBC as just a little left-leaning to me, so that would indicate a left-bias to me.

The idea that the media leans left is a little silly. Consider the top-rated radio shows in North America:

The Rush Limbaugh Show – 20+ million
The Sean Hannity Show – 16+ million
The Savage Nation – 9+ million
Glenn Beck Program – 9+ million
The Dr. Laura Program – 9+ million
The Mark Levin Show – 6.25 million
The Laura Ingraham Show – 6.25 million
The Dave Ramsey Show – 6.25 million
Neal Boortz – 4.25+ million

That list is overwhelmingly conservative. Not to mention that the top-rated news network in North America is unabashedly conservative.

It's just one of the tropes that the radical right uses to try to get the media to say what they want it to say. Actually the radical left used it too--the idea of the media representing the corporate/political interests was championed by Norm Chomsky ("Manufacturing Consent"). I didn't find his argument compelling either.

If the CBC is making the governing Conservatives uncomfortable, then they are doing their job, as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, but those righties see themselves as the anti-media, ie not mainstream. And they have a point, they're not putting out serious journalism, more like a rightwing version of John Stewart but with an even straighter face.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Sure, but those righties see themselves as the anti-media, ie not mainstream. And they have a point, they're not putting out serious journalism, more like a rightwing version of John Stewart but with an even straighter face.

--"with an even straighter face." love it!

That's the big lie though, isn't it? They are saying that they are the rebels, breaking away from the pack, when the numbers clearly demonstrate that they are the mainstream media.

[Bodah]

I dont have a problem with biased news, what I do have a problem with is when I'm paying for it. The CBC did one of these studies back in 2006 a cabinet minister asked for the report it was never handed over to him, nor made public.

An egregious example of this is when Iggy's top aid made Chinese food remarks implying cats were used for cooking. This never graced the pages of the CBC, if it was one of Harper's aids I'm sure they would of been running this story for weeks.

[Proculation]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

CBC to study whether its news is biased.....and in other news, experts will study if Brown Bears are Brown.

The ombudsman (well, "ombudswoman" in her case) of Radio-Canada blamed them for their biased coverage of the last elections against the ADQ (a right-wing political party in Quebec).

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Yeah, there's about as much chance as them finding they actually ARE biased as there is a "queer basher" coming to the realization he'd rather be screwing them.

[EyeBrock]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

All news is biased.

That doesn't mean that the CBC will reach this simple and inexorable conclusion. I recall that CNN underwent a similar navel-gazing session a few years ago and determined that they were not biased. The analysis fails because those analyzing lack the wisdom to realize that their analysis itself is coloured.

I'm pretty left myself, and I see the CBC as just a little left-leaning to me, so that would indicate a left-bias to me.

The idea that the media leans left is a little silly. Consider the top-rated radio shows in North America:

The Rush Limbaugh Show – 20+ million
The Sean Hannity Show – 16+ million
The Savage Nation – 9+ million
Glenn Beck Program – 9+ million
The Dr. Laura Program – 9+ million
The Mark Levin Show – 6.25 million
The Laura Ingraham Show – 6.25 million
The Dave Ramsey Show – 6.25 million
Neal Boortz – 4.25+ million

That list is overwhelmingly conservative. Not to mention that the top-rated news network in North America is unabashedly conservative.

It's just one of the tropes that the radical right uses to try to get the media to say what they want it to say. Actually the radical left used it too--the idea of the media representing the corporate/political interests was championed by Norm Chomsky ("Manufacturing Consent"). I didn't find his argument compelling either.

If the CBC is making the governing Conservatives uncomfortable, then they are doing their job, as far as I'm concerned.

And I have never watched or listened to any of their shows. But I have watched CBC and CTV news.

I'll stick with my view that OUR (Canadian not Yank) media is left leaning from what I've seen and listened to and the CBC and CTV are what most Canadians have access to, not all those weird shows you mention.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

CTV has a strong vein of anti-Harper rhetoric that is ever present. They are also less than supportive of the Afghan mission. They routinely drag up Steven Staples of the 'Rideau Institute' to comment on military matters. This guy is about as anti military and anti-establishment as it gets.

CTV news also used to have that wanker Steve Chau on it too. I heard he was basically shunned by the Army guys in Afghanistan and that he refused to go outside the wire. He now works for Al Jazzerah.

Lets call it as it is, TV journalists and TV commentators in Canada are from the left side of the political spectrum, just like most cops and army guys are from the right side of the same spectrum.

The media leans left. We don't need a study to see that.

CTV and CBC took the CPC to task on the Navy.

Fleet cut order rescinded 24 hrs after reported. Bias is not always bad.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Gunnair Gunnair:

CTV and CBC took the CPC to task on the Navy.

Fleet cut order rescinded 24 hrs after reported. Bias is not always bad.

Can't argue with that logic

[Proculation]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

All news is biased.

That doesn't mean that the CBC will reach this simple and inexorable conclusion. I recall that CNN underwent a similar navel-gazing session a few years ago and determined that they were not biased. The analysis fails because those analyzing lack the wisdom to realize that their analysis itself is coloured.

I'm pretty left myself, and I see the CBC as just a little left-leaning to me, so that would indicate a left-bias to me.

The idea that the media leans left is a little silly. Consider the top-rated radio shows in North America:

The Rush Limbaugh Show – 20+ million
The Sean Hannity Show – 16+ million
The Savage Nation – 9+ million
Glenn Beck Program – 9+ million
The Dr. Laura Program – 9+ million
The Mark Levin Show – 6.25 million
The Laura Ingraham Show – 6.25 million
The Dave Ramsey Show – 6.25 million
Neal Boortz – 4.25+ million

That list is overwhelmingly conservative. Not to mention that the top-rated news network in North America is unabashedly conservative.

It's just one of the tropes that the radical right uses to try to get the media to say what they want it to say. Actually the radical left used it too--the idea of the media representing the corporate/political interests was championed by Norm Chomsky ("Manufacturing Consent"). I didn't find his argument compelling either.

If the CBC is making the governing Conservatives uncomfortable, then they are doing their job, as far as I'm concerned.

And I have never watched or listened to any of their shows. But I have watched CBC and CTV news.

I'll stick with my view that OUR (Canadian not Yank) media is left leaning from what I've seen and listened to and the CBC and CTV are what most Canadians have access to, not all those weird shows you mention.

Actually, it's proved they are left leaning. They did a survey some years ago and something like 76% journalists told they were left leaning and that it was influencing their work.

We don't have to prove that, we already know it. What we have to prove is that their leaning doesn't change too much the news.