[romanP]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

commanderkai commanderkai:

The only positive thing, as Blue nose pointed out, is that needles don't wind up in parks or anywhere else where kids can get them. That's it.

You don't know the first thing about the downtown eastside, do you? But that's the only positive thing? It's not a positive thing that people aren't dying?

He doesn't seem to know about much of anything at all. This is the same guy who seems to think that oil is a renewable resource. I bet he also thinks that the bacon that came with his breakfast comes from a grocery store.

[herbie]

AFAIK the site does not supply the drugs, just a safe place to do them and clean needles. To keep the users out of your face, and not spreading HIV and HEP so it costs us millions in health care. Both goals that anyone should support.
Harper's declaration to appeal is not only malicious, but another open example of how partisan politics involves the imposition of political ideology above the use of common sense.

I'd go even further: buy ALL the Afghan poppy production, refine it here and prescribe it here, sell some for worldwide medicinal use, and DUMP THE REST in the middle of the Pacific. Then the Taliban would have no money for weapons and it would probably cost us less in the long run.

[romanP]

commanderkai commanderkai:

First I stated that I'm a realist. That I have no real faith in my fellow human beings, because of my personal experiences in my life. So when people make their OWN wrong choices in life, that's THEIR fucking problem, and I won't help them just because they "need help to escape" when it is most likely THEIR FUCKING FAULT THEY GOT ADDICTED.

So, if they realise they made a mistake, we shouldn't help them to fix it?

Kicking a heroin addiction isn't like taking your trash the curb and forgetting about it, you have to deal with pretty awful withdrawal symptoms, which are reason enough on their own to want more heroin, and you need counselling to strengthen your resolve to quit.

$1:

This goes for ALL criminals. I feel no compassion for rapists, murderers, child molesters, gangsters, or anybody else. Rehabilitation to me, is a damn joke when you force them, and so is assisting in their addiction.

You're comparing apples and horses. All of the above crimes you listed are crimes because they interfere directly with the safety of other people. Shooting up heroin doesn't rape or kill other people. It's only the illegality of the drug that maintains the criminal element associated with it.

$1:

I have done things for friends and strangers alike that have helped them through horrid times. So go fuck yourself on trying to judge me. You have no idea what I've done for people, and I have absolutely no reason to put my personal experiences and events on display for the world just because you want bait me into confessing all of my life story.

I explained who I was, not for some fucking debate, but for insight for anyone curious about who I am as a person. I might lack compassion for a fucking heroin addict who probably committed worse crimes to support their addiction. I feel no sympathy or compassion for a person who chose their lifestyle, just like I feel no sympathy for a gangster who gets killed by a rival gang, or a terrorist blown away by a USAF bomb strike.

So there, you can pretend you understand me by reading one fucking paragraph on a damn blog on a website, then fine, pretend that. But there are things that you will never know about me, so go fuck yourself.

Aww, someone's cranky. Does the poor baby need his diaper changed?

$1:

I feel no sympathy or compassion for a person who chose their lifestyle, just like I feel no sympathy for a gangster who gets killed by a rival gang, or a terrorist blown away by a USAF bomb strike.

Ah, I knew the macho bullshit had to come out soon. What about prevention and recovery? Shouldn't we prevent people from wanting to become gang members or terrorists in the first place, and if we can't or won't do that, then whose fault is it when we have to provide a means for recovery?

Merely making objects and substances illegal because their use is problematic is never enough to make them go away, and certainly not enough to deter their use.

Take gun culture, for example. Guns are very dangerous, especially in the hands of the wrong people. Most people who own guns probably don't walk around shooting up their neighbourhood every day. But because there are a few that would do such a thing, we need to set strict conditions for the ownership of firearms. But this as well as making guns illegal has never been able to stop people from owning firearms, because there is always a huge black market for them. Thus, we allow people to own guns, but we do our best to limit smuggling.

Drugs aren't any different. Drugs like heroin hurt their users and the people around them with the behaviour that results from a heroin addiction, but then it hurts its users more because it's illegal, and they get thrown in prison for possession of an illegal substance. They then feel like even less of a human being and decide they might as well continue the habit because they've been thrown into a situation where everyone hates their life and will do anything to hurt other people and themselves. If heroin was legal, people who get addicted would be far less likely to feel the need to steal in order to pay for their next hit. They would be able to get a prescription from a doctor to help them recover, instead of relying on a dealer on the street, who may cut his hard drugs with other drugs and make them even more dangerous to use.

But your reasoning (or total lack thereof) is that nobody should ever help anyone when they're in trouble, and we should all just look down our noses and act like we're invulnerable.

[romanP]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Streaker Streaker:

Isn't ride a drunk?

I believe my human rights are violated because I can't bother to keep my fridge stocked with beer or accurately mix exotic cocktails so I emplore the poverty pimps and government to provide me with such.

The government isn't providing anyone with heroin. The only things being provided at the clinic are clean needles, advice on safe injection practises, and counselling.

$1:

I would like to see a list of the people who have recovered from addiction compaired to the number that must be drawn to the nations only legal shooting gallery.

It's not a shooting gallery. They aren't in the business of getting people hooked, they're trying to help addicts break their abuse problems.

Keep using your imagination, though. Maybe some day it'll come up with something useful, intelligent and interesting.

[romanP]

herbie herbie:

I'd go even further: buy ALL the Afghan poppy production, refine it here and prescribe it here, sell some for worldwide medicinal use, and DUMP THE REST in the middle of the Pacific. Then the Taliban would have no money for weapons and it would probably cost us less in the long run.

We shouldn't buy their labour, we should just take the crop, and give them compensation for it in the form of seed for food crops. Encouraging impoverished nations to grow cash crops is not a good way to promote a healthy society.