[dino_bobba_renno]

I think this whole Toyota thing is a bit over blown. Yes there's a problem but you have to give them some credit for at least coming forward and being responsible about it and not only admitting there is a problem but also going the extra mile by issuing recalls and ceasing sales. If that were an American firm you can be it would be like pulling hens teeth trying to get them to own up to it.

[Brenda]

stemmer stemmer:

I don't know what is causing the acceleration problem... I don't know if Toyota really knows... It's now rumoured to be an ECM problem. The Prius & Lexus hybrid brake problem appears to be software....

The Lemon-Aid author was on the radio last week and he claims Toyota has known of this issue for quite a few years and has been hushing it up by settling out of court with plaintiffs...

Toyota has NO idea what the problem is. The pedals they are using are used by GM too (I thought, correct me if I am wrong). There are no software errors to be found in the computers. How many cars did (or do) have an acceleration problem? That one that had a floormat shoved over the gaspedal? How many more?

NOONE still has been able to say what xactly the problem is.

[stemmer]

But what if it is as Phil Edmonston (Lemon-Aid author) alleges, Toyota has known of this problem for several years and did nothing? Not sure what he is basing his allegation on but some people pay attention to him...

[Brenda]

Maybe the guy is just like you, and hates everything foreign?

[BartSimpson]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I think this whole Toyota thing is a bit over blown.

Unless, of course, you find yourself in a Toyota hurtling down a residential street at 150Kph. Then your impression of this issue may change.

My description is not an exagerration as this has actually happened and with fatal results.

[Brenda]

What happened was a floormat.

[dino_bobba_renno]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I think this whole Toyota thing is a bit over blown.

Unless, of course, you find yourself in a Toyota hurtling down a residential street at 150Kph. Then your impression of this issue may change.

My description is not an exagerration as this has actually happened and with fatal results.

The acceleration issue it self is serious but the way in which scorn is being heaped onto Toyota is what's over the top. Like I said, had this been an American firm they would be denying this to this day.

Toyota's handing of this issue should almost be applauded. Look at the go around back in 2000 with the Firestone/Explorer episode. While that issue was a it more complex because it involved a few issues (the tires vs the Explorer being prone to role) it took a long time and a lot of incidents before Ford moved on it. In fact, if I'm not mistaken the government had to push them into taking action.

[stemmer]

Phil Edmonston alleges this problem was known for several years...

[stemmer]

Brenda Brenda:

What happened was a floormat.

Then explain the Prius and Lexus hybrid braking problem?

[poquas]

Another day, another bigoted steaming pile from Stemmer.

Toyota has handled this better than any other manufacturer has handled any recall in the past. They weren’t forced into acting and unlike the big three who have typically only reacted under pressure.

Stemmer Stemmer:

But what if it is as Phil Edmonston (Lemon-Aid author) alleges, Toyota has known of this problem for several years and did nothing? Not sure what he is basing his allegation on but some people pay attention to him...

Phil Edmonston has criticized the American manufacturers for years about poor quality and safety issues. Are you sure you really want to hold him up as the quintessence of last words Stemmer? A little simple research by you (C’mon, even you can do it….) would show Phil has recommended the Japanese imports as good buys for years.

[Brenda]

stemmer stemmer:

Brenda Brenda:

What happened was a floormat.

Then explain the Prius and Lexus hybrid braking problem?

What does that have to do with the acceleration pedal?

[stemmer]

Sorry but I thought the thread was about recalled Toyotas of which the Prius and Lexus belong to the list...

[Brenda]

stemmer stemmer:

Sorry but I thought the thread was about recalled Toyotas of which the Prius and Lexus belong to the list...

I'm sorry, I thought this was another one of the Toyota bashing threads.

Like I said, Toyota has no idea and they are not the only ones that recall. To say you shouldn't drive your recalled car, is a bit insane. My 1996 explorer is recalled too (huh, still have to make the appointment...) Should I not drive it now?

This whole thing is blown way out of proportions, and the mechanics can not find any problem. So you tell me...

[poquas]

I’ve made the point before. Facts only get in the way of Stemmers rants. You can be sure he’s complained to the mods at least once this morning.

The NA manufacturers have a despicable history of denial whenever their particular vehicles blew up, flipped, burned, or caused some other harm to their particular owners. Stemmer knows this and is incapable of accepting the truth. He’s made an art of disguising his bigotry within the discussions of the auto industry. He’ll hold up trade policies, slave labour, or anything he deems negative to attack the Japanese, Koreans or Chinese.

He WILL NOT refer to any of the same practices committed by the big three in their global businesses.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Phil Edmonston(or at least Lemon-Aid) has also panned Chrysler products for many, MANY years. Guess that means no none should buy their vehicles either.

And you can knock the Japanese products all you want but, I've yet to hear of a Japanese car blazing up on impact. You remember those Chevy and GM trucks with the side saddle gas tanks right? Took 'em a while to own up to the problem.

Anyone wanna guess what the most recalled vehicle was a couple years ago? Volkswagon Beetles. Almost 1 million cars were recalled and yet, the media and America pretty much ignored that fact. Ignored being a relative term when you consider the witch hunt going on with Toyota.

I'll tell ya Stemmer, you'd be hard pressed to find a major auto manufacturer with a share of the global marketplace that HASN'T had a recall.
Even Volvo, the benchmark for automotive safety has been issuing large scale recalls going back to 2001. And ALL those recalls have to do with potential fire issues due to gas line problems.

And one last thing about your vaunted North American auto makers, wanna talk recalls?
DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp is recalling nearly 1.5 million Buick, Chevrolet, Oldsmobile and Pontiac mid-sized cars due to a potential leak of engine oil that could cause an engine fire. The recall applies to the 1997-2003 Buick Regal; 1998-2003 Chevrolet Lumina, Monte Carlo and Impala; 1998-99 Oldsmobile Intrigue; and 1997-2003 Pontiac Grand Prix, GM said in a filing with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

So you can see that in some cases, this problem was known for years and it took until 2009 for them to start recalls.
This recall was just last April. Funny how the media and American business interests kept pretty quiet about that one huh? Again, quiet being a relative term when you consider the noise being made over Toyota.