[hurley_108]

Regina Regina:

In my opinion it takes at least two cars to call it a race. If it's one car it's just plain speeding. The question is every time they ding a driver with this offence, shouldn't there be at least two cars impounded and two drivers charged? The law was promoted and passed under the premise that it would stop street racing, yet I've yet to read a single case where more than one person per stop has been charged with the new law. There were plenty of laws in place like "dangerous" or "careless" driving before hand to handle a single car going excessively fast so why call this racing when it's just speeding. I'm getting the feeling that they're not nabbing the intended clientele so are grabbing whoever to pad the stats.

Still, 50 over the limit is excessive by any definition. Doing 150 in a 100 zone means you car is carrying 2.25 times as much energy as it would if you were obeying the law. That means it'll do 2.25 times as much damage if it hits something, and you're probably 2.25 times more likely to kill someone. If playing up the racing angle is what was needed to get this enacted, than that's just politics. It's a good law, one I wish they'd adopt here in Alberta.

[Alta_redneck]

Regina Regina:

In my opinion it takes at least two cars to call it a race. If it's one car it's just plain speeding. The question is every time they ding a driver with this offence, shouldn't there be at least two cars impounded and two drivers charged? The law was promoted and passed under the premise that it would stop street racing, yet I've yet to read a single case where more than one person per stop has been charged with the new law. There were plenty of laws in place like "dangerous" or "careless" driving before hand to handle a single car going excessively fast so why call this racing when it's just speeding. I'm getting the feeling that they're not nabbing the intended clientele so are grabbing whoever to pad the stats.

This is just one part of the new law, I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe if you get caught with after market high performance toys installed on your car, they can take your car for awhile. And if your caught racing the car goes to the crusher, I have no problem with this and I also like photo radar, red light camera‘s and anything else that can get these idiots off the roads.

[Ripcat]

I like the law.

I read an article where Julian Fantino, former head of the OPP and the top cop who pushed for this, wished he had recommended 30 kph as the racing threshold after realizing how many people were being caught.

Speed kills whether you are racing someone else or not.

race
verb, raced, rac·ing.

–noun
1. a contest of speed, as in running, riding, driving, or sailing.
2. races, a series of races, usually of horses or dogs, run at a set time over a regular course: They spent a day at the races.
3. any contest or competition, esp. to achieve superiority: the arms race; the presidential race.
4. urgent need, responsibility, effort, etc., as when time is short or a solution is imperative: the race to find an effective vaccine.
5. onward movement; an onward or regular course.
6. the course of time.
7. the course of life or a part of life.
8. Geology. a. a strong or rapid current of water, as in the sea or a river.
b. the channel or bed of such a current or of any stream.

9. an artificial channel leading water to or from a place where its energy is utilized.
10. the current of water in such a channel.
11. Also called raceway. Machinery. a channel, groove, or the like, for sliding or rolling a part or parts, as the balls of a ball bearing.
12. Textiles. a. the float between adjacent rows of pile.
b. race plate.

–verb (used without object) 13. to engage in a contest of speed; run a race.
14. to run horses or dogs in races; engage in or practice horse racing or dog racing.
15. to run, move, or go swiftly.
16. (of an engine, wheel, etc.) to run with undue or uncontrolled speed when the load is diminished without corresponding diminution of fuel, force, etc.
–verb (used with object) 17. to run a race against; try to beat in a contest of speed: I'll race you to the water.
18. to enter (a horse, car, track team, or the like) in a race or races.
19. to cause to run, move, or go at high speed: to race a motor.

[Newfy]

It could be worse. In the UK if your caught speeding over 100 mph you automatically lose your licence. The legal limit on highways is 70 mph.

I'm not sure what kph works out as in mph but surely 100 kph is fast enough. If you do 50 over then it's your own fault!

[hurley_108]

Newfy Newfy:

It could be worse. In the UK if your caught speeding over 100 mph you automatically lose your licence. The legal limit on highways is 70 mph.

I'm not sure what kph works out as in mph but surely 100 kph is fast enough. If you do 50 over then it's your own fault!

70mph is 112 km/h
100mph is 160 km/h

So it's basically the same thing, lose your licence for going 48 over in a 112 zone.

[Regina]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Regina Regina:

In my opinion it takes at least two cars to call it a race. If it's one car it's just plain speeding. The question is every time they ding a driver with this offence, shouldn't there be at least two cars impounded and two drivers charged? The law was promoted and passed under the premise that it would stop street racing, yet I've yet to read a single case where more than one person per stop has been charged with the new law. There were plenty of laws in place like "dangerous" or "careless" driving before hand to handle a single car going excessively fast so why call this racing when it's just speeding. I'm getting the feeling that they're not nabbing the intended clientele so are grabbing whoever to pad the stats.

Still, 50 over the limit is excessive by any definition. Doing 150 in a 100 zone means you car is carrying 2.25 times as much energy as it would if you were obeying the law. That means it'll do 2.25 times as much damage if it hits something, and you're probably 2.25 times more likely to kill someone. If playing up the racing angle is what was needed to get this enacted, than that's just politics. It's a good law, one I wish they'd adopt here in Alberta.

Yes it's excessive and I'm not arguing that. Previous to this new law and to this day we have "dangerous" and "careless" driving which would apply to excessive speed and driving erratically. My point is that if you need another law to curb street racing, the law should be used for those caught racing. For anything else you can use the harsh laws that we already in place. Seems to me they're not appling the new law correctly and are padding the statistic to prove they need it. If you're charged with careless or dangerous driving you need to appear in front of a judge which to me is a bit more serious as well. I don't think this law is getting the intended culprits.

[Alta_redneck]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Regina Regina:

In my opinion it takes at least two cars to call it a race. If it's one car it's just plain speeding. The question is every time they ding a driver with this offence, shouldn't there be at least two cars impounded and two drivers charged? The law was promoted and passed under the premise that it would stop street racing, yet I've yet to read a single case where more than one person per stop has been charged with the new law. There were plenty of laws in place like "dangerous" or "careless" driving before hand to handle a single car going excessively fast so why call this racing when it's just speeding. I'm getting the feeling that they're not nabbing the intended clientele so are grabbing whoever to pad the stats.

Still, 50 over the limit is excessive by any definition. Doing 150 in a 100 zone means you car is carrying 2.25 times as much energy as it would if you were obeying the law. That means it'll do 2.25 times as much damage if it hits something, and you're probably 2.25 times more likely to kill someone. If playing up the racing angle is what was needed to get this enacted, than that's just politics. It's a good law, one I wish they'd adopt here in Alberta.

I’m not sure if Alberta Judges would enforce the law here. After all, that Edmonton Judge last week let the Sherwood Park teen off for killing 2 friends. She thought going close to 50 over, was a reasonable speed to be used while passing another vehicle on a 2 lane highway.

[passthedutchie]

I drive on average 50,000km per year and the vast majority of that is on Ontario and Quebec highways. I agree with the above posts about who's more dangerous - and I can say that I see just as much if not more older business-types than I do younger speed demons or those wishing to be part of the Fast and Furious.

I also agree that it's rather strange that they needed a new law rather than working with existing laws, and maybe just tweaking the penalties to something similar (I like the suspension of licence and the impounding of the vehicles).

The only reason I can see if that they tried to kill two birds with one stone - they needed a street racing deterrent and also needed a way to get back control of the roads. Now they have everyone's attention and are nailing all extreme speeders with the law, not just street racers.

[hurley_108]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Regina Regina:

In my opinion it takes at least two cars to call it a race. If it's one car it's just plain speeding. The question is every time they ding a driver with this offence, shouldn't there be at least two cars impounded and two drivers charged? The law was promoted and passed under the premise that it would stop street racing, yet I've yet to read a single case where more than one person per stop has been charged with the new law. There were plenty of laws in place like "dangerous" or "careless" driving before hand to handle a single car going excessively fast so why call this racing when it's just speeding. I'm getting the feeling that they're not nabbing the intended clientele so are grabbing whoever to pad the stats.

Still, 50 over the limit is excessive by any definition. Doing 150 in a 100 zone means you car is carrying 2.25 times as much energy as it would if you were obeying the law. That means it'll do 2.25 times as much damage if it hits something, and you're probably 2.25 times more likely to kill someone. If playing up the racing angle is what was needed to get this enacted, than that's just politics. It's a good law, one I wish they'd adopt here in Alberta.

I’m not sure if Alberta Judges would enforce the law here. After all, that Edmonton Judge last week let the Sherwood Park teen off for killing 2 friends. She thought going close to 50 over, was a reasonable speed to be used while passing another vehicle on a 2 lane highway.

You've never, ever, not even once in your entire driving life, done 50 over the limit passing someone?

[Froggyguy]

I do the crime, expect to do the time. Not knowing the 'rules' is not an excuse and I would assume the new rule coming in effect would have had plenty of air-time on the news. Now they have learned and so did many other drivers. Stick with the limit/rules and you will not pay for it.

[Froggyguy]

I meant "You do the crime" not I do the crime.

[Brenda]

I don't know any better... In Holland, speeding over 50 is loosing licence, if you can't give them your license, you loose your car. Driving 170 on a highway is very fast, and there you will hardly be able to brake in time for a guy who drives 80 on the same highway (a truck, passing another truck )

From what I hear here though, driving the limit is kinda stupid, and even judges don't care for those rules

[Alta_redneck]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Regina Regina:

In my opinion it takes at least two cars to call it a race. If it's one car it's just plain speeding. The question is every time they ding a driver with this offence, shouldn't there be at least two cars impounded and two drivers charged? The law was promoted and passed under the premise that it would stop street racing, yet I've yet to read a single case where more than one person per stop has been charged with the new law. There were plenty of laws in place like "dangerous" or "careless" driving before hand to handle a single car going excessively fast so why call this racing when it's just speeding. I'm getting the feeling that they're not nabbing the intended clientele so are grabbing whoever to pad the stats.

Still, 50 over the limit is excessive by any definition. Doing 150 in a 100 zone means you car is carrying 2.25 times as much energy as it would if you were obeying the law. That means it'll do 2.25 times as much damage if it hits something, and you're probably 2.25 times more likely to kill someone. If playing up the racing angle is what was needed to get this enacted, than that's just politics. It's a good law, one I wish they'd adopt here in Alberta.

I’m not sure if Alberta Judges would enforce the law here. After all, that Edmonton Judge last week let the Sherwood Park teen off for killing 2 friends. She thought going close to 50 over, was a reasonable speed to be used while passing another vehicle on a 2 lane highway.

You've never, ever, not even once in your entire driving life, done 50 over the limit passing someone?

No I can't say I have, if you have to go that fast there doesn't seem to be a need to pass in the first place on a 2 lane road. I have done 35 to 40 over on the QE2 after I've looked in the mirror and seen a 1/2 mile of traffic backed up behind me, just to get the hell out of the way.

[sasquatch2]

Regina

$1:

In my opinion it takes at least two cars to call it a race. If it's one car it's just plain speeding. The question is every time they ding a driver with this offence, shouldn't there be at least two cars impounded and two drivers charged? The law was promoted and passed under the premise that it would stop street racing, yet I've yet to read a single case where more than one person per stop has been charged with the new law. There were plenty of laws in place like "dangerous" or "careless" driving before hand to handle a single car going excessively fast so why call this racing when it's just speeding. I'm getting the feeling that they're not nabbing the intended clientele so are grabbing whoever to pad the stats.

Actually I have heard of several.....usually only after one of those horrific crashes that results in a fatality. Most of those affected are just stupid speeders.

As far as mentality---most drivers will claim to be good drivers----fast too---as if the speedometer was an IQ test.

About a month back set out with the bike. After fueling at the truck stop---I took the ramp onto 401 to trim some time off my trip. Yeah, I sought the higher speed limit to evaluate if my fuel pump would fail again at higher demand. I had no problem merging and was not monitoring my speed until I topped the rise and spotted a speed trap, a mile ahead on an overpass. I backed off to 120 and the traffic passed me like a train. That was my intended exit. I stopped and shot the breeze with the guy manning the laser. He had three catcher cruisers. He set the alarm at 140 and kept them busy. He said in the first 15 minutes, they had towed two cars. (vans with kids). In both cases, he summoned the tow-trucks before the offending vehicle was stopped. He said it is not unusual closer to the GTA for tow-trucks to shadow them.........

I agree with Fantino.........the threshhold should be 30KPH over.

[BartSimpson]

Ooooh, good time to be in the tow truck biz.