[ridenrain]

Still no one remembers the last time a Liberal stepped down over a scandal?

Last I can recall was Liberal Senator Raymond Lavigne but he was a senator.. not a cabinate minister.

Oh wait..

Sheila Copps resigned in 30 April 1996 because she said she would if her government failed to abolish the GST.

... and with that went the only honorable person in the Liberal party of Canada.

[Benoit]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Still no one remembers the last time a Liberal stepped down over a scandal?

Last I can recall was Liberal Senator Raymond Lavigne but he was a senator.. not a cabinate minister.

Oh wait..

Sheila Copps resigned in 30 April 1996 because she said she would if her government failed to abolish the GST.

... and with that went the only honorable person in the Liberal party of Canada.

The last time a Liberal stepped down over a scandal it was David Emerson, the man who is replacing Bernier.

[ridenrain]

Please provide proof of that.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

$1:

Max left top secret documents involving a great many other NATO countries at his ex-girlfriends house for 5 bloody weeks.

We have no idea what those documents were and it's a pretty safe bet that no one could have made money off them, not endangered anyones lives if the details were leaked.. unlike the Gooddale leak.

Never the less, Bernier has resigned.

Please tell me the last Liberal cabinate minister who resigned?

(but theb Derby will say that no Liberal has ever done anything wrong.. )

I'm just pointing out the bias of you shills. Stripergate had the Liberal immigration minister bringing 600 Romanian women a year on special visas so they could work as strippers and prostitutes for the bikers. She didn't resign, nor did the CBC make a big deal over it.

You simply have no room to talk.

Thats becasue you are simply making crap up. Lives were not threatened by a secure NATO document you say yet admit you have no idea what was in them? If it were deployment plans and locations for troops in Afghanistan would you still say the same thing?

Then you claim the Goodale affair (which was false) threatened lives?

As for answering your complaints about Strippergate I don't need to. Thats what you want, to simply turn every complaint against the CPC around at the Liberals and force the arguments back there.

Bernier fucked up, alot as it would seem and was forced to resign by the man who choose him who has been buried under so many gaffs and scandals it won't be long before you cons simply call him a Liberal and put your fair weather support behind another sychophant tory.

IF you want to discuss Liberal scandals then start a new thread where we can point out that all those scandals got the Liberals voted out of office.

Now all these scandals against the CPC have long ago passed the point of disqualifying them to run the gov't and therefore they should be voted out of office.

[Donny_Brasco]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Still no one remembers the last time a Liberal stepped down over a scandal?

Last I can recall was Liberal Senator Raymond Lavigne but he was a senator.. not a cabinate minister.

Oh wait..

Sheila Copps resigned in 30 April 1996 because she said she would if her government failed to abolish the GST.

... and with that went the only honorable person in the Liberal party of Canada.

As far as I can tell there are/were no Liberals as stupid as Bernier.

And unfortunately for the CRAP party he's pretty much the cream of the crop. Won;t take long till we see more of this.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Thats becasue you are simply making crap up. Lives were not threatened by a secure NATO document you say yet admit you have no idea what was in them? If it were deployment plans and locations for troops in Afghanistan would you still say the same thing?

Then you claim the Goodale affair (which was false) threatened lives?

As for answering your complaints about Strippergate I don't need to. Thats what you want, to simply turn every complaint against the CPC around at the Liberals and force the arguments back there.

Bernier fucked up, alot as it would seem and was forced to resign by the man who choose him who has been buried under so many gaffs and scandals it won't be long before you cons simply call him a Liberal and put your fair weather support behind another sychophant tory.

IF you want to discuss Liberal scandals then start a new thread where we can point out that all those scandals got the Liberals voted out of office.

Now all these scandals against the CPC have long ago passed the point of disqualifying them to run the gov't and therefore they should be voted out of office.

I didn't say lives were lost over the Goodale leak, I said that vast fortunes were made, but only for Liberal insiders. There was a dramatic jump in the exchange after his leak, but the RCMP investigated and no charges were laid. "He is an honorable man, so are they all honorable men... "

None of the scandals were made up nor did the Liberals own up to them, but the public saw it and punished them by voting them out.
No one stepped down over ADSCAM
No one stepped down over Strippergate
No one stepped down over Goodale's leak
No one stepped down over APEC
The list keeps going for a decade of legitimate Liberal scandal.

If this was legitimate or a political sting is aside the topic. Bernier screwed up, took ownership of the mistake and stepped down.
If you want to pretend that this event was worst than stealing public money or insider trading, you're simply being stupid.

[ridenrain]

Good editorial on this:

$1:

Bernier case a docu-drama farce
By MICHAEL DEN TANDT


You have to wonder, sometimes, why they even bother. Surely they don't think Canadians take any of this -- "this" being the popcorn tragedy of our erstwhile foreign affairs minister -- even a little bit seriously.
Monday evening we watched as Stephen Harper, more in sadness than in anger, revealed that Maxime Bernier had been sacked, er sorry, quit. The reason, the prime minister told us solemnly, was that "It is a very serious mistake -- regardless of who the minister is, regardless of personal life -- to leave classified documents in an unsecured location."
Er, who was he trying to kid? Bernier's ex, Julie Couillard, used to be involved with criminal bikers. She hung with a tough crowd. From this, we're to imagine that she'd leak secret NATO briefing notes to -- al Qaida? biker kingpin Mom Boucher in his prison cell? Perhaps she planned to sell them to the Chinese. Or a rising power, not yet on the G7's radar: the Albanians.
And about those notes. We've heard often about how every micro bit of information released in official Ottawa must first pass through the grasping hands of the pinched schoolmarms in the Prime Minister's Office. Access to information? Forget it, there is none.
From this we can infer that the dreaded secret briefing notes weren't really very secret at all. Indeed, they more likely were crib sheets reminding Bernier of the names of all those NATO foreign ministers. Europe is so very big, and there are so many names to remember.
If the prime minister were inclined to be honest, he would tell us what we already know: Bernier was turfed not because of a security leak, but because he was a liability. Since his ouster it has emerged that he wandered around Ottawa in a self-satisfied daze, blithely ignorant of the details. Fast Times at Foreign Affairs High. He had to go.
Now to the loyal Opposition. When a cabinet minister is wounded, the pack scents blood and begins to circle. The lame gazelle is cut from the herd. With the media and opposition MPs working in tandem, gaffe follows gaffe and the end comes soon.
Until recently, Harper and his straight-laced crew had offered precious little by way of scandal.
Here the opposition has pulled down one of the government's two or three most senior ministers: Big game. So a certain amount of crowing and chest-pounding was to be expected.
But an RCMP investigation? Spare us, please. Bernier is gone. What will the Mounties investigate, Julie Couillard's choice of dressmaker? Nobody gives a fig about the briefing books. For the Liberals, this is all about keeping the scandal going for another day, or two, or six.
To this end my media colleagues are co-operating mightily. Yesterday morning the Globe and Mail led its front page with a breathless tale in which Dawn Black, the NDP defence critic, claimed to have seen Bernier expose his briefs, sorry, briefing notes, on a government flight to Scotland.
Er -- who cares? Perhaps the Mounties should investigate Black as well. She also may have ties to Mom Boucher and the Albanians.
Here too, though, the PM reaps what he sowed. In the old days ministers talked occasionally about their plans for governing, which resulted in scoops about policy. Under Harper, that's all dried up. Small wonder then that the national press pile on with a will when they get their fingernails beneath the curling lip of a juicy little scandal. What else is there for them to do?
Certainly it's meaningless, tawdry and a waste of time. But that's entertainment. And nowadays, that's politics.

[Zipperfish]

ridenrain ridenrain:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Thats becasue you are simply making crap up. Lives were not threatened by a secure NATO document you say yet admit you have no idea what was in them? If it were deployment plans and locations for troops in Afghanistan would you still say the same thing?

Then you claim the Goodale affair (which was false) threatened lives?

As for answering your complaints about Strippergate I don't need to. Thats what you want, to simply turn every complaint against the CPC around at the Liberals and force the arguments back there.

Bernier fucked up, alot as it would seem and was forced to resign by the man who choose him who has been buried under so many gaffs and scandals it won't be long before you cons simply call him a Liberal and put your fair weather support behind another sychophant tory.

IF you want to discuss Liberal scandals then start a new thread where we can point out that all those scandals got the Liberals voted out of office.

Now all these scandals against the CPC have long ago passed the point of disqualifying them to run the gov't and therefore they should be voted out of office.

I didn't say lives were lost over the Goodale leak, I said that vast fortunes were made, but only for Liberal insiders. There was a dramatic jump in the exchange after his leak, but the RCMP investigated and no charges were laid. "He is an honorable man, so are they all honorable men... "

None of the scandals were made up nor did the Liberals own up to them, but the public saw it and punished them by voting them out.
No one stepped down over ADSCAM
No one stepped down over Strippergate
No one stepped down over Goodale's leak
No one stepped down over APEC
The list keeps going for a decade of legitimate Liberal scandal.

If this was legitimate or a political sting is aside the topic. Bernier screwed up, took ownership of the mistake and stepped down.
If you want to pretend that this event was worst than stealing public money or insider trading, you're simply being stupid.

Again, I fail to see how mudslinging addresses the issue. What's your point?--that the Liberals were so bad, the Conservatives are allowed to be horrible too. That's a pretty low bar.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I didn't say lives were lost over the Goodale leak, I said that vast fortunes were made, but only for Liberal insiders. There was a dramatic jump in the exchange after his leak, but the RCMP investigated and no charges were laid. "He is an honorable man, so are they all honorable men... "

None of the scandals were made up nor did the Liberals own up to them, but the public saw it and punished them by voting them out.
No one stepped down over ADSCAM
No one stepped down over Strippergate
No one stepped down over Goodale's leak
No one stepped down over APEC
The list keeps going for a decade of legitimate Liberal scandal.

If this was legitimate or a political sting is aside the topic. Bernier screwed up, took ownership of the mistake and stepped down.
If you want to pretend that this event was worst than stealing public money or insider trading, you're simply being stupid.

You are still mudslinging in a vain attemtp to cast off guilt.

The proper people were prosecuted under adscam, you just won't accept anything less then Martin and Chretien both accepting guilt

No one stepped down over strippergate because there was no scandal accept your desire to control other people lives.

No-one stepped down over Goodales leak because the RCMP were responsible for slandering an innocent man.

You can make up all the BS you want but all you ever do is simply respond to every single criticism against the CPC with but the Liberals did it so therefore we are justified in doing it....

The fact is that if the CPC weren't a party founded entirely on putting up a false front rather then even the slightest bit of loyalty to their members or any amount of character then they might accidentily show some character.

Don't worry though, we will use your statement above and vote the CPC out under the same circumstances that saw Martin voted out.

[Benoit]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Please provide proof of that.

I'm not mathematician.

[DerbyX]

Benoit Benoit:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Please provide proof of that.

I'm not mathematician.

Only mathematicians deal with proof?

What does the legal system (not to mention most of society) work on?

Hope and faith?

[Benoit]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Benoit Benoit:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Please provide proof of that.

I'm not mathematician.

Only mathematicians deal with proof?

What does the legal system (not to mention most of society) work on?

Hope and faith?

evidences

[DerbyX]

Benoit Benoit:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Only mathematicians deal with proof?

What does the legal system (not to mention most of society) work on?

Hope and faith?

evidences

Evidence is equivalent to proof. ridenhack could just as easily have said provide evidence and it would have meant the same.

[Benoit]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Benoit Benoit:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Only mathematicians deal with proof?

What does the legal system (not to mention most of society) work on?

Hope and faith?

evidences

Evidence is equivalent to proof. ridenhack could just as easily have said provide evidence and it would have meant the same.

Evidences are only elements of proof. In the justice system, doubts always remain.

[DerbyX]

Nothing of which excuses you from being asked to provide proof or evidence to support what you post.