[Newsbot]

Title: Former Auschwitz guard Reinhold Hanning convicted
Category: World
Posted By: martin14
Date: 2016-06-17 06:17:49

[martin14]

An utterly stupid waste of time and money.

"Did nothing to stop it."

Rambo was an American.

He's 94 ffs, just let the man go home.

[BartSimpson]

I just love how the same fucked up leftards who think I'm a radical for opposing government abuse propose that this man was supposed to fight the abuse of the Third Reich.

[andyt]

I thought Nueremberg established "only following orders" wasn't an excuse. I agree with putting him on trial and establishing his guilt, but jailing him is just asinine.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

I thought Nueremberg established "only following orders" wasn't an excuse. I agree with putting him on trial and establishing his guilt, but jailing him is just asinine.

Nuremberg is irrelvant. When Edward Snowden is threatened with assassination by members of the US Senate because he refused to follow orders then saying that people are obligated to act against injustice becomes a hollow screed.

[andyt]

What does the US Senate have to do with Austria? Or with the Reich?

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

What does the US Senate have to do with Austria? Or with the Reich?

It's about the prevailing attitude of global politics. The elites will SAY that 'just following orders' is not an excuse but what they mean to say is that "You'd damn well better follow OUR orders!!!"

[Thanos]

Never quite understood why these old buggers were all so keen to deny complicity for their activities. It's like they were all the original dindu nuffins. The death penalty got abolished after the first round of Nuremburg trials and even the Israelis restricted it's use for top-level monsters like Eichmann. They were actually in more danger on their own outside of custody because numerous ones were found dead after Israeli death squads caught up to them in South America. Unless one of them got deported to Poland or Russia during the Cold War they would have done some time in a West German prison and that's it. All of them were quite committed to their jobs before and during the mass killings so it's pretty cowardly to either pretend they weren't there or that they feel shame now as they're older.

That stuff about anyone being forced to work at a death camp or for the mobile killing squads is a complete crock too. Every branch of the German military and police had strong regulations against the abuse or forced participation of unwilling subordinates. A commander simple couldn't, for the most part of the war until things got chaotic at the end, stick his sidearm in someone's face and day "do it or else". The death's head branch of the SS was as voluntary as the Waffen SS was. No one was forced to join or to take part in atrocities. That's why the Totenkopf SS ran their main training school at Dachau in such a harsh manner, with the guards being specifically trained to brutalize the prisoners as much as possible, so they could weed out the less-committed before they got assigned to the camp garrisons or to the einsatzgruppen. They wanted to know who the "hard" men were well prior to assigning them to a camp because they couldn't afford to send someone out who would turtle on them later on. If one of them wasn't up to the job, or got too stressed out by all the mayhem, they could ask to be relieved and they'd be assigned elsewhere. That so few of them asked for relief shows that the participants were more than willing to do the task or were not as willing to end up in a Waffen unit where they'd have to face opponents that would fight back.

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

Never quite understood why these old buggers were all so keen to deny complicity for their activities.

I have seen doc after doc where they really believed they were doing the right thing.

The fact that prevailing attitudes have changed hasn't changed them.


My guess is by the time they get into their 90's, they are too old, too tired,
maybe even not mentally capable enough to keep running or hiding or covering it up.





maybe thinking of a different time.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Never quite understood why these old buggers were all so keen to deny complicity for their activities.

Because some of them really didn't do these things. My wife's grandfather had a brother in Mannheim who was disabled from WW1. During WW2 he worked as a clerk for the city of Mannheim (I have his gorget - a symbol of his office). After WW2 he was arrested because he looked like someone else. When it was determined that he was not the person they were looking for the French executed him anyway.

And by 'executed' I mean to say 'beat to death'.

Then, as now, the seriousness of the accusation was of far more importance than the truth...whatever it was.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

That stuff about anyone being forced to work at a death camp or for the mobile killing squads is a complete crock too.

George Soros was a volunteer kapo and has never had to answer for his war crimes that he himself has admitted to.

[Thanos]

martin14 martin14:

Thanos Thanos:

Never quite understood why these old buggers were all so keen to deny complicity for their activities.

I have seen doc after doc where they really believed they were doing the right thing.

The fact that prevailing attitudes have changed hasn't changed them.


My guess is by the time they get into their 90's, they are too old, too tired,
maybe even not mentally capable enough to keep running or hiding or covering it up.





maybe thinking of a different time.

Yeah, I don't have much of an opinion one way or the other about prosecuting someone in their 90's for something that happened seventy-five years ago. I guess can see the value in getting the prosecution on the record but when they're all suffering from dementia and aren't going to confess anyway it seems kind of pointless. My main problem with this is that the German state made reparations a long time ago. The continuation of this pounding of perpetual guilt into the German mind today has been entirely counter-productive. It's resulted in something really awful developing, that they now have this existential belief that they have no right to protect their country anymore, or even for their country to exist, because they've been convinced by the last seventy years of endless blame being aimed at all of them. It's manifesting itself as some kind of really fucked up collective mental and emotional self-destruction because apparently, from the very top of the German government and on down to the average citizen, they aren't going to stand up for themselves against the Muslim rapefugee invasion. It's like their government rubber stamped the mass migration as the final coffin nail of the Germans, "this is how we make the final payment for our eternal guilt, by holding our necks up meekly to the descending knives".

[andyt]

The Swedes and Danes aren't doing anything different, and they don't have war guilt. Even the Brits, who still like to crow about WWII are being door mats to the Muslims, according to you lot.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

The Swedes and Danes aren't doing anything different, and they don't have war guilt. Even the Brits, who still like to crow about WWII are being door mats to the Muslims, according to you lot.

Attribute it to post-colonial self-loathing.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

That stuff about anyone being forced to work at a death camp or for the mobile killing squads is a complete crock too.

George Soros was a volunteer kapo and has never had to answer for his war crimes that he himself has admitted to.

Soros was fourteen years old when the war ended. He hid and was never deported to a camp which means he never acted as a kapo. And wouldn't have anyway even if he'd been sent to one because by that time the Nazis were automatically gassing anyone under the age of sixteen immediately upon arrival.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Early_life

It's OK to hate the man for his political activities today if you want to. There's no need to make up a bunch of insane tin-hatter crap about him from when he was a kid and stuck in the middle of hell on earth at the end of World War Two.