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Tracker Tracker:

That looks super cold, ziggy. I'd lose a nad up there for sure.

Not much difference from -50 to -80,at that temp you have allmost all your skin covered.The one spring I went to open up the camp it was never warmer then -67 for a month.Then it hovered around -70 to -80 for 2 weeks. Nothing can fly in that temp so we had to use the gotrac to hit town for supplies.We took a kamitak with 2 spare sleds on it and it was a 12 hour trip.

I met the guys at the Winnipeg airport and they were all noobs from BC so I had some fun with them.They thought I was kidding when i told them they had to shit in a pail in an unheated outhouse with no seat.
When we got to Baker they sent a vintage 1957 bombi to ferry us out on the tundra where we met the gotrac coming to pick us up.The boss's eyes just kept getting bigger as we got farther out towards camp and nothingness.There was only 8 of us up there for that 7 weeks of hell.That was a 12 hour trip over the tundra in pure whiteout conditions.

You take on a different mindset once up there because you cant go home,your there for the duration or longer.You depend on the peeps with you for your life and vice versa.

so you look at things in a new light.Managing to bang off a 5 minute phone call off the satelite was considered an achievement worth bragging about.
If my sat internet connection went to 3mbps I was doing good.
Nothing moves fast in the Arctic except the changing of the seasons.

I take nothing for granted anymore.

Was also asked to go back and manage another remote camp on the 10th of this month for 2 weeks.Tempting as the fishing is awesome this time of year and I still have my licence for Nunavut.
Like someone giving me a fishing trip,all paid for. It's about 7 grand round trip for just the airfare.
If the chopper pilots like fishing then you hit the lakes with the best scenery at night which is light right now. Fishing and getting a tan at 3am,cruising over the tundra low level in the bell with Metallica ripping through the headphones. Good times Good times.

[Blue_Nose]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Speaking of the "trend" though, I find it's importance varies in your eye depending on which graph, or data set you choose to put forward. I saw yours. Check these ones out.

I never talked about an "eye" - there's a mathematical trend in the data regardless of how you stretch it out or otherwise present it.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

$1:

April 14, 2008
Sea ice
Arctic sea ice is now about the same as 1980. Antarctic sea ice is 1.5 million square kilometers more than 1980.

Yeah, we've already discussed a while ago why picking a single point out of a set of data says nothing about the overall trend. There was a spike in the spring, as indicated on the data you posted, and singling that out and claiming it's representative of the trend is as disingenuous as anything the other camp has done.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Now are my graphs, or bits of information more accurate, or important than yours.

You haven't demonstrated that they contradict mine in any way, resorting to how they vary "in your eye" if presented in a different way and singling out extraneous details without considering the overall trend.

[robmik43]

Number of small islands that disappeared due to
rising rate of sea levels, past 50 years = 0
Number of small islands at risk of disappearing
due to rising rate of sea levels, next 50 years = 0

[Blue_Nose]

robmik43 robmik43:

Number of small islands that disappeared due to
rising rate of sea levels, past 50 years = 0
Number of small islands at risk of disappearing
due to rising rate of sea levels, next 50 years = 0

and I thought my number crunching in a previous post was crude.... I feel much better now

[Hyack]

robmik43 robmik43:

Number of small islands that disappeared due to
rising rate of sea levels, past 50 years = 0
Number of small islands at risk of disappearing
due to rising rate of sea levels, next 50 years = 0

Sorry to disapoint you, but....

Islands disappear under rising seas

[herbie]

The link doesn't work. That PROVES global warming is bullshit!!!

[Hyack]

Curious, it works for me....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/368892.stm

[cheryl08]

The environment is dependant on so many factors, to say that the melting of the arctic waters is primarily global warming is an ill-informed statement. However, although I think that climate change is a natural cycle, green house gas emissions and pollution must play some factor to quicken these effects.

[Zipperfish]

cheryl08 cheryl08:

The environment is dependant on so many factors, to say that the melting of the arctic waters is primarily global warming is an ill-informed statement. However, although I think that climate change is a natural cycle, green house gas emissions and pollution must play some factor to quicken these effects.

An ill-informed statement? Saying that water can melt--now that's ill-informed.

[Blue_Nose]

It's so hot...

(how hot is it, Blue_Nose?)

...It's so hot the water in the pool is melting!

[cheryl08]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

cheryl08 cheryl08:

The environment is dependant on so many factors, to say that the melting of the arctic waters is primarily global warming is an ill-informed statement. However, although I think that climate change is a natural cycle, green house gas emissions and pollution must play some factor to quicken these effects.

An ill-informed statement? Saying that water can melt--now that's ill-informed.

haha whoops I meant ice

[Zipperfish]

cheryl08 cheryl08:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

cheryl08 cheryl08:

The environment is dependant on so many factors, to say that the melting of the arctic waters is primarily global warming is an ill-informed statement. However, although I think that climate change is a natural cycle, green house gas emissions and pollution must play some factor to quicken these effects.

An ill-informed statement? Saying that water can melt--now that's ill-informed.

haha whoops I meant ice

I know...I was just buggin you!

[Zipperfish]

Climate change, melting Arctic clearly linked: study

Excerpt from the August 1 National Post Article

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A provocative new study of the record-setting Arctic thaw that's unlocking the Northwest Passage and transforming Canada's polar frontier has, for the first time, drawn a clear connection between rising global carbon pollution and the retreat of sea ice.

Thinning sea ice concerns scientists

Excerpt from August 6 Montreal gazette article:

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The polar ice cap is not only losing vast swaths of surface area but is also experiencing a "drastic thinning" likely to reinforce its overall retreat, a new seven-year study of the Arctic's shrinking sea ice concludes.

The study, headed by University of Alberta ice expert Christian Haas, found reductions of ice thickness in the central Arctic Ocean of up 50 per cent between 2001 and 2007, as well as widespread replacement of heavier, older ice near the North Pole with weaker first-year ice.

'Land that never melts' is melting: Erosion probed in Nunavut park

Excerpt from this August 6 CBC article:

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"Auyuittuq means 'land that never melts,' but of course now it's melting," Pauline Scott, a spokeswoman for Parks Canada's Nunavut field unit, told CBC News on Tuesday.

No mention of AGW in the last one, but I found it indicative that an area that means"land that never melts" is melting!

[ziggy]

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"Auyuittuq means 'land that never melts,' but of course now it's melting," Pauline Scott, a spokeswoman for Parks Canada's Nunavut field unit, told CBC News on Tuesday.

No mention of AGW in the last one, but I found it indicative that an area that means"land that never melts" is melting!

Silly keekeekabluna.
Inuktitut is the one language that changes constantly to reflect the environment,there are no real words,all are put into one sentence so 5 words become one word.

Hard to explain but you are quoting a parks Canada employee.

[Benoit]

It's become clear that air pollution like soot can significantly reduce the amount of sunlight reaching Earth, lower temperatures, and mask the warming effects of greenhouse gases. Climate researcher James Hansen estimates that "global dimming" is cooling our planet by more than a degree Celsius (1.8°F) and fears that as we cut back on the pollution that contributes to dimming, global warming may escalate to a point of no return.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/dimming.html