[Hyack]

martin14 martin14:

Every station in BC is pay before.

Which is great if you use a credit / debit card, and leave an electronic trail everywhere for everyone to see;

If you prefer cash it is a huge pain in the ass.

Exactly, paying with cash is a pain in the ass, using plastic is no problem and is actually quicker and easier, I have no problem with it at all.

[herbie]

Paying with cash, waiting behind the inevitable little old lady who needs help checking all her lottery tickets and then paying for more with coins pulled from her purse one at a time.... at 40 below....
and almost every kid I know at every gas station I know was told they'd be docked for a gas and dash. So they brought in Grant's Law as a sop to the owners (no blame---) and then watered it down a year or so later. BAck to ONE 16 yr old running a gas station and convenience store all by herself at 3 am.

[Curtman]

Benn Benn:

Andy is right, at least out here in MB a number of "chain" stations were still making employees pay for what they were short. But at least a lifetime ago when I worked at Domo (for all of a week) they would not make you pay for robbery losses, as I was told, they "have insurance for that."

This is a sad ending and this guy did not deserve this. However as OTI mentioned, it is not worth your life, even if it comes out of your pocket. I mean if a guy pulled a shotgun at you from 10 feet away and ordered you to toss your wallet would you really take the chance and try to lunge at him?

I don't see a big deal about pay first systems. Pay first with cash or debit. Takes just as long at the pump paying first or last. I don't buy that it presumes you're guilty. It presumes a certain percentage of people are guilty and aims to catch or deter those ones.

"Shrink" is a part of business but any way you can shrink the shrink is always welcome.

Thankfully the NDP came along and fixed that.

$1:

Deductions from Wages

Employers are responsible for paying employees properly for all hours worked.

Employees and Employers are sometimes unsure what can be deducted or held by the employer from those wages. The general rule is that employers can only deduct money that is required by a law, or money that the employee agrees to pay for something that is a direct benefit to them.



What can be deducted from employees' wages?
Employers can correct payroll errors, recover cash advances, and make any deduction required by provincial or federal law (statutory deductions). In addition employees can agree to pay for things they consider a direct benefit, like meals or purchases from the employer.


What types of things cannot be deducted from employees’ wages?
Employers cannot charge interest or fees for cashing cheques or providing payroll advances. Employers cannot recover business expenses from the wages of employees. For example an employer cannot deduct for cash or inventory shortages, uniforms, or damages.

[Benn]

Curtman Curtman:

Benn Benn:

Andy is right, at least out here in MB a number of "chain" stations were still making employees pay for what they were short. But at least a lifetime ago when I worked at Domo (for all of a week) they would not make you pay for robbery losses, as I was told, they "have insurance for that."

This is a sad ending and this guy did not deserve this. However as OTI mentioned, it is not worth your life, even if it comes out of your pocket. I mean if a guy pulled a shotgun at you from 10 feet away and ordered you to toss your wallet would you really take the chance and try to lunge at him?

I don't see a big deal about pay first systems. Pay first with cash or debit. Takes just as long at the pump paying first or last. I don't buy that it presumes you're guilty. It presumes a certain percentage of people are guilty and aims to catch or deter those ones.

"Shrink" is a part of business but any way you can shrink the shrink is always welcome.

Thankfully the NDP came along and fixed that.

$1:

Deductions from Wages

Employers are responsible for paying employees properly for all hours worked.

Employees and Employers are sometimes unsure what can be deducted or held by the employer from those wages. The general rule is that employers can only deduct money that is required by a law, or money that the employee agrees to pay for something that is a direct benefit to them.



What can be deducted from employees' wages?
Employers can correct payroll errors, recover cash advances, and make any deduction required by provincial or federal law (statutory deductions). In addition employees can agree to pay for things they consider a direct benefit, like meals or purchases from the employer.


What types of things cannot be deducted from employees’ wages?
Employers cannot charge interest or fees for cashing cheques or providing payroll advances. Employers cannot recover business expenses from the wages of employees. For example an employer cannot deduct for cash or inventory shortages, uniforms, or damages.

I'll give credit were it is due, this is a good regulation. Job well done. IT is asinine to expect someone to pay back losses due to robberies or theft, most of all when the whole thing is caught in video. I'd just quit, go find one of many other minimum wage jobs and sue the gas station in small claims. No way they'd win.

Good to hear about the uniforms too as Domo used to make you pay for them and required you to have one for each season. When I worked there there were no cash registers and using a calculator for anything other than end of day inventory was frowned on as going back inside to use any of them slowed down their "jump to the Pump" service, and yes, they actually expected you (back then) to give a little hop as you arrived at the car window.

Point of interest as well, Domo and its screw the employee philosophy used to be run by former Manitoba PC leader Stewart Murry, who right now is screwing all taxpayers as head of the Human Rights Museum.

[Brenda]

Now the employers are just telling you "Black pants and t, no jeans" or "steel toed boots and your own tools".

So you are still paying for it yourself.

[Benn]

Can write some of that off on taxes then no?

[Brenda]

Benn Benn:

Can write some of that off on taxes then no?

Not your black pants that you already used, and will use privately. Or so I was told by my tax guy.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Benn Benn:

Can write some of that off on taxes then no?

Not your black pants that you already used, and will use privately. Or so I was told by my tax guy.

How will CRA know? Anyway, what are you saying? Employers should provide people with business attire? What's the big deal about saying no jeans? That's different than making them employee pay for uniforms.

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Benn Benn:

Can write some of that off on taxes then no?

Not your black pants that you already used, and will use privately. Or so I was told by my tax guy.

How will CRA know?

I'm guessing you've never been called in for a "review" by Revenue Canada.

[andyt]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Not your black pants that you already used, and will use privately. Or so I was told by my tax guy.

How will CRA know?

I'm guessing you've never been called in for a "review" by Revenue Canada.

So keep the receipt, and tell them you only use them for work. How can they prove different? Just don't claim too many pairs in a year. But seems like a lot of fuss for a pair of pants, who can be bothered.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Benn Benn:

Can write some of that off on taxes then no?

Not your black pants that you already used, and will use privately. Or so I was told by my tax guy.

How will CRA know? Anyway, what are you saying? Employers should provide people with business attire? What's the big deal about saying no jeans? That's different than making them employee pay for uniforms.

Hardy. When you tell your employees what they can and cannot wear, and you want all your employees wear the same, you might as well provide them with a uniform. Not everyone owns what you want them to wear. So yes, you make them pay for what you, as employer, want them to wear.

I, for one, do not own one single t-shirt. Plenty of tank tops, but no T-shirts.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

andyt andyt:

How will CRA know?

I'm guessing you've never been called in for a "review" by Revenue Canada.

So keep the receipt, and tell them you only use them for work. How can they prove different? Just don't claim too many pairs in a year. But seems like a lot of fuss for a pair of pants, who can be bothered.

People on minimum wage, for one.

[2Cdo]

Brenda Brenda:

I, for one, do not own one single t-shirt. Plenty of tank tops, but no T-shirts.

I, on the other hand, have an extensive collection of t-shirts but not a single tank top!

[BeaverFever]

There are alot of ways to address this without inconveniencing everyone. I always pay at the pump for the sake of convenience. I don't know how paying cash before you pump is more inconvient than paying cash after' either way you have to go inside and wait in line.

If you pre-pay (either electronically or in cash) the pump shuts off automatically when you hit your pre-pay amount. It should be fairly simple to have a shut off limit(say, at $20) if there's no electronic or pre-pay, which should reduce the likelihood for theft and for employees to risk their lives chasing it down.

Which brings me to another question...why are these minimum wage employees sacrificing their lives for gas-and-dash? The Ontario Federation of Labour has said it is concerned that gas station owners are docking wages from Employees when gas is stolen on their shift (docking wages for theft is illegal in Ontario) and has launched an investigation and tip line for gas station workers.

[Benn]

Brenda Brenda:

Benn Benn:

Can write some of that off on taxes then no?

Not your black pants that you already used, and will use privately. Or so I was told by my tax guy.

I meant the work boots, tools of the job etc. But andy has a point. Why could one not say, "I only use them for work."

My basic cell phone is free due to a service bundle deal so I can't try it but other guys I work with claim to have had part of their cell phone cost written off since we are required to be on call and reachable at all hours yet not provided a cell phone.