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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:34 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson: Got something better than a blog??
Sorry chum, but where my article isn't proof of anything neither is yours and that's my point. Your "article" isn't an article-it's a blog, ie just some random havk's opinion.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:35 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever: I thought (Trump) was opposed to the corporate agenda. You're confusing Bernie with Trump. Trump's the one with the hair. 
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:35 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever: BRAH BRAH: Trump is building his cabinet through the lens of a businessman. Is that supposed to be good? I thought he was supposed to be building it through the lens of the American people. I thought he was opposed to the corporate agenda. Your tears of not being able to understand are delicious.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:37 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever: BartSimpson BartSimpson: Got something better than a blog??
Sorry chum, but where my article isn't proof of anything neither is yours and that's my point. Your "article" isn't an article-it's a blog, ie just some random havk's opinion. And anymore biased articles from the Washington Post are also just someone's opinions.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:52 pm
BRAH BRAH: BeaverFever BeaverFever: BRAH BRAH: Trump is building his cabinet through the lens of a businessman. Is that supposed to be good? I thought he was supposed to be building it through the lens of the American people. I thought he was opposed to the corporate agenda. Your tears of not being able to understand are delicious. So explain thwn
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:58 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson: BeaverFever BeaverFever: BartSimpson BartSimpson: Got something better than a blog??
Sorry chum, but where my article isn't proof of anything neither is yours and that's my point. Your "article" isn't an article-it's a blog, ie just some random havk's opinion. And anymore biased articles from the Washington Post are also just someone's opinions. . How. Pathetic. The CIA issued a report naming Russia, that's not WaPo's biased opinion or some anonymous jackass's blog. Why is it Republicans have such a problem with distinguishing fact from opinion?
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:48 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever: The CIA issued a report naming Russia And where's this report of yours? Since they 'issued' it then of course it's public, right? So where is it?
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:55 pm
It's been the top news story thw oast couple if days. What planet are you living on?
Oh wait let me guess this is a vast worldwide media conspiracy where the CIA never released any such report , but CIA and government is staying silent ?!!
Edit: Don't forget, in a campaign speech Trump openly called on Russia to hack Hillary and told them they would be "mightily rewarded" if they did.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:40 pm
And now they will be. With the head of Exxon and BFF of Putin slated to become Secretary of State, Russia has its reward.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:48 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish: Thanos Thanos: ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: Merkuh!!!! Springsteen cuts in now. Just the guitars. None of the pesky lyrics.  Beyond the Palace hemi-powered drones scream down the boulevard The girls comb their hair in rearview mirrors and the boys try to look so hard The amusement park rises bold and stark, kids are huddled on the beach in a mist I wanna die with you, Wendy, on the street tonight in an everlasting kissBorn to Run. The banker man grows fatter, the working man grows thin It's all happened before and it'll happen again It'll happen again, they'll bet your life I'm a Jack of all trades and, darling, we'll be alright
Now sometimes tomorrow comes soaked in treasure and blood Here we stood the drought, now we'll stand the flood There's a new world coming, I can see the light I'm a Jack of all trades, we'll be alright
So you use what you've got, and you learn to make do You take the old, you make it new If I had me a gun, I'd find the bastards and shoot 'em on sight I'm a Jack of all trades, we'll be alright I'm a Jack of all trades, we'll be alrightBruce Springsteen - Jack Of All Trades (post-2008 meltdown triggered in part by the executives of organizations like Goldman Sachs) 
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:45 pm
"The first thing you need to know about Goldman Sachs is that it's everywhere. The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."
Matt Taibbi, The Great American Bubble Machine, Rolling Stone
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:50 pm
And now they just don't own the American government. They now ARE the American government. At this stage of the nightmare the filthiest of ancient Roman despots would be preferable. 
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:51 pm
This just in from Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN14204E$1: The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday. Also note the difference in language: It is now referred to as an assessment and not a report. An assessment means you have an idea of what happened.
A report means you have proof of what happened. There is no proof. EDIT: Obama was reportedly interviewed today and in the interview he's backwalking the accusations against Russia.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:31 pm
Thanos Thanos: And now they just don't own the American government. They now ARE the American government. At this stage of the nightmare the filthiest of ancient Roman despots would be preferable.  Kind of America's Nero moment.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:12 pm
To be fair, for a very long time there has been a revolving door between Goldman and senior levels of government, the Federal Reserve, etc. So I'm not sure this is anything new. Maybe just more blatant, no need to pretend anymore.
But I don't know what can be done really. Getting in bed with bankers is part of the neoliberal economy first brought to you by Reagan and Thatcher and it has more or less been the basis policy of every single North American government of every party stripe since. The different parties have for the most part only varied by the speed and degree with which neoliberal policies are implemented. A notable exception would be Bob Rae's Ontario although it didn't turn out well for Bob. In that case, before Rae even sat in his premiers chair, he met with prominent members of the business community, who told him to his face that since he did not drink the neoliberal kool-aid, they considered him to be a dangerous socialist radical. They pledged to him that they would do everything in their power to discredit and obstruct him, even on mundane non-contentious issues, so they could drive him from office. They deliberately withheld investment, funded anti-government propaganda, even took out ads in foreign newspapers saying "don't invest in Ontario" which, in the midst of what was then the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, feels like a kind of treason to me.
Ultimately big business won and Bob turned on his own labour union base, in a futile attempt to placate the vampire squids in the business community. But you can't make friends with a squid so all that happened was Bob went down with enemies on both sides of the political spectrum. Notley seems to have had similar experience and perhaps is on the same trajectory
Just a moral lesson in case anyone thinks that any alternatives are feasible. The trap is that neoliberal economics is conventional theory in all of the major financial institutions and universities around the world, therefore anyone espousing any different theory is automatically an outsider who lacks credibility and will be immediately branded as a socialist extremist idealogue. The banks and corporations will never allow it.
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