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Good... Harper gets my vote in the next election....

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Good. This just proves that the Conservatives haven't got a clue when it comes to the environment.

In your opinion maybe not..... but they do understand economics, which is more than any socialist ever will.

Bullshit. Why did every economist interviewed say that cutting the GST was a bad move and that income tax would be a better place to cut? Because the Liberals are actually better economic stewards than the Conservatives. the Conservatives are just out to buy votes by whatever means necessary, and damn to cost to the country.

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Now, if I may be so bold as to point out that since China the biggest polluter on the planet won't do anything to curb pollution, because it would detrimentally effect their economy, W The F should we destroy ours just so you people can feel good about yourselves.

It WON'T destroy ours! Go back a few posts. I showed that the cost of a carbon tax would be a third of the GST. The GST didn't kill our economy, did it? Why would a carbon tax? Especially after we just CUT about a third OUT of the GST, pumping billions back into this "threatened" economy.

The GST didn't hurt our economy because the manufacturer's sales tax was dropped in place of it... So what tax will be dropped to make room for the carbon tax?

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stemmer stemmer:

The GST didn't hurt our economy because the manufacturer's sales tax was dropped in place of it... So what tax will be dropped to make room for the carbon tax?

Go back to the first page. I showed that the impact of a $15/tonne carbon tax on Canada wouldn't amount to more than a third of the GST. As I just said, we just cut almost a third OUT of the GST by reducing it from 7 to 5. I doubt we'd be able to apply the tax to every single tonne of CO2 emitted either.

This simply will not be a big deal economically. Heck, it might drive the development of more eficcient technologies and wind up SAVING money.

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You must be naive as you do not grasp that taxes are more often raised then lowered. So the carbon tax like most taxes will be increased. The revenue will be squandered by politicians and will not be diverted to the environment or researching alternative energies.

Just like the gun registry had nothing to do with reducing crime, it was a tax grab. So is this carbon tax.

I'm betting any political party that makes implementing a new tax without reducing another tax will be voted out of office.

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The carbon tax scam exposed by Alex Jones....

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/fe ... b_Scam.htm

[hurley_108]

stemmer stemmer:

You must be naive as you do not grasp that taxes are more often raised then lowered. So the carbon tax like most taxes will be increased. The revenue will be squandered by politicians and will not be diverted to the environment or researching alternative energies.

Just like the gun registry had nothing to do with reducing crime, it was a tax grab. So is this carbon tax.

I'm betting any political party that makes implementing a new tax without reducing another tax will be voted out of office.

Except that this tax wouldn't go to general revenue, it would go to a technology trust that would then go right back to those areas that generated it to pay for development of cleaner technologies.

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And of course you trust the politicians from dipping into civil servant pension funds. Sorry you are much too naive.

Like how The lottery revenue goes back to sport?

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Over 100 scientist protest global carbon tax is a scam...

http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/ca ... al_tax.htm

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Oh yeah...wasn't income tax initially just a temporary tax to help pay for the war?

Once this carbon tax is implemented it will be raised & abused by our politicians like any other tax... Sorry history is on the side of those against this chicanery...

[Zipperfish]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

stemmer stemmer:

You must be naive as you do not grasp that taxes are more often raised then lowered. So the carbon tax like most taxes will be increased. The revenue will be squandered by politicians and will not be diverted to the environment or researching alternative energies.

Just like the gun registry had nothing to do with reducing crime, it was a tax grab. So is this carbon tax.

I'm betting any political party that makes implementing a new tax without reducing another tax will be voted out of office.

Except that this tax wouldn't go to general revenue, it would go to a technology trust that would then go right back to those areas that generated it to pay for development of cleaner technologies.

Gotta go with stemmer on this one--despite all the best intentions, it all ends up in general revenue sooner or later. They just can't keep their hands off it. The only solution to climate change is every body works together internationally--notably China, India, Russia, North America, and Europe. But everyone isn't going to work together, so there will be no prevention, just adaptation.

[romanP]

stemmer stemmer:

Oh yeah...wasn't income tax initially just a temporary tax to help pay for the war?

Once this carbon tax is implemented it will be raised & abused by our politicians like any other tax... Sorry history is on the side of those against this chicanery...

A carbon tax is a consumption tax, which is a much better idea than income tax. People should be taxed for consuming, not for making money in the first place.

[romanP]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

stemmer stemmer:

You must be naive as you do not grasp that taxes are more often raised then lowered. So the carbon tax like most taxes will be increased. The revenue will be squandered by politicians and will not be diverted to the environment or researching alternative energies.

Just like the gun registry had nothing to do with reducing crime, it was a tax grab. So is this carbon tax.

I'm betting any political party that makes implementing a new tax without reducing another tax will be voted out of office.

Except that this tax wouldn't go to general revenue, it would go to a technology trust that would then go right back to those areas that generated it to pay for development of cleaner technologies.

Gotta go with stemmer on this one--despite all the best intentions, it all ends up in general revenue sooner or later. They just can't keep their hands off it. The only solution to climate change is every body works together internationally--notably China, India, Russia, North America, and Europe. But everyone isn't going to work together, so there will be no prevention, just adaptation.

If nobody even starts and just keeps pointing fingers at the worst offenders as an example of why no one should do anything, then we will be truly fucked as a species and as a planet, on many different issues.

We should set the example, regardless of what other countries are doing. If we invest in better technology now, we can sell it to the worst offenders and possibly even generate competition with them to make even better technologies.

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romanP

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We should set the example, regardless of what other countries are doing. If we invest in better technology now, we can sell it to the worst offenders and possibly even generate competition with them to make even better technologies.

Great theory but reality differs.

We are presenting a better example.....

We do have better technology and are using it.

The Chinese "Chery" car Moe Strong is trying to import can't meet our emissions standards....and our worst smog days are better than Beijing's best days.

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I don't see companies like Ballard giving fuel cell technology to India or China "for the sake of the planet". Why are we being told that our wanton use of the auto is killing the planer when India is on the brink of a new industrial revolution and no western companies are willing to will take that risk.
This isn't about pollution or the enviroment, it's about money.

[RUEZ]

I'm sure most people by now have seen the announcement of an Indian companies development of a $2500 car. They hope to allow millions of people who were previously without a vehicle to have one for the first time. It seems like every time the West takes two steps forward the developing world pulls us three steps back.