[N_Fiddledog]

An opinion piece on Obama's Ferguson address last night:

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/25/o ... r-america/

Obama seems to think the protestors are more "his people". I don't see a lot of support for the responders. Not even the black ones.

[DanSC]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Apparently a lot (some say most) of the protestors are not from Ferguson.

Just like Vancouver.

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Pictures of the devastation wrought by Obama's people:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tour-destructi ... d=27163962

They're Obama's people, eh? Not your fellow countrymen, Obama's people.

Obama claimed this kind of person when he laid claim to Trayvon Martin:

Barack Obama Barack Obama:

If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.

If he wants to claim criminals as his people then I'm happy to oblige him.

[andyt]

DanSC DanSC:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Apparently a lot (some say most) of the protestors are not from Ferguson.

Just like Vancouver.

In Vancouver's case, that's pretty meaningless. People come from all over Metro Vancouver and further afield to watch hockey games. These weren't outside agitators that specifically came to riot, they were people from the area there to watch the hockey on a big screen and get pissed and see what happens. OTOH, riot was in the air, even a hotdog vendor told me people were asking him if he was going to the riot days before the event. It was in the air, and everybody except the cops and city and provincial govts knew it.

You can't draw any sort of connection between Ferguson and Vancouver. Vancouver was middle class kids getting caught up in the moment - many of them had no prior record. Just shows how easy a large crowd can go off, and booze doesn't help. Ferguson is people who got the short end of the American dream, a community with legitimate grievances. Incidence of PTSD in a community like that is as common as in MIlitary vest after combat. And, as has been pointed out, there are groups involved here with an agenda, trying to incite a riot, and some of those come from far away. Of course the reason they are successful is because the tinder is already laid.

You (not you personally) can call them savages and Obama's people, but this is the dark side of he American dream, and to only blame the people rioting, and not look at all at what the foundation for that riot is is just ignorant. These people have much more to riot about than the Vancouver numbnuts did. NOt that rioting is going to make things better for them in any way.

[Winnipegger]

I'm a bit torn. After what happened in Canada, I'm inclined to take side arms away from police. Let them carry a taser on their hips, and guns in their cruiser car. After the Polish guy in Vancouver, the idiot with a knife in Toronto, etc., police show they're far to trigger happy. The guy in Vancouver was killed with 4 tasers, so we need regulations stating only one taser at a time. And they shouldn't have used a taser at all in that case, just wrestled him to the ground. As for the guy with a knife on a bus in Toronto: sounds like a perfect case for a taser. As in one taser, then put him in handcuffs.

But my house was broke into 4 times in 1992. Actually, the 4th time was 1993. After the 3rd time, I installed a concealed video security system. It recorded the thief steeling my TV. Police said it was the first time Crime Stoppers showed the actual video, not a re-enactment. But since then they said they never did that again, so my video was the only time. Police did catch him. He was sentenced to 2 years in Stoney Mountain federal penitentiary, and he served every day. I checked. My house has never been bothered since, but my car was broken into or stolen several times, and my garage broken into. I have a wooden sword under my bed, from when I was a member of a medieval recreation society. But store owners need something to protect themselves.

I was told of an incident at a store in my neighbourhood. A thief stole something, the owner caught him and beat him to the pavement on the sidewalk just outside the store. When police showed up, he explained what happened. The police told him "You beat him while he was still inside the store, right?" The store owner said no, on the sidewalk right in front of the store. The police officer then said, "No, you don't understand. You beat him while still inside the store, right!" The store owner responded "Oh. Ok. Yea."

In the summer of 2008, I was a clerk at 7-Eleven. Overnight shift, aka graveyard shift. I had to confront thieves to stop them. Had to face down some teenagers, but also some one big guy. They did back down. I would have appreciated a baseball bat.

And when I saw damage of a restaurant in my neighbourhood, I though of material developed in the 1980s by the US army for windows of tanks. They don't have windows now, they have webcams with displays inside. But that material is available for windows of Humvees. ALON: Alumino-Oxy-Nitride. It's transparent aluminum ceramic. Designed to stop bullets from an assault riffle. Thick enough, will stop a .50 calibre bullet, but leave the window shattered so only once. I keep thinking that would be ideal for areas prone to riots. Even if it cost 3 times the price of a plate glass window, stores would by it. After all, only the outer most pane would have to be this material. Inside panes of a multi-pane window could be normal glass. The restaurant in my area was broken into 8 times, through the same window. They stole the booze from the lounge. Until the owner packed up all booze in the trunk of her car every night, has to bring it back every morning to re-open. With no booze over night, they stopped breaking in. But that window was replaced 8 times. The rocks thrown through the window were stacked on her counter: all were softball size, some broken chunks of concrete, some a half brick, some river stones. So that's what the window has to stop. ALON would do the job. And she had to replace the window 8 times, so a window 3 times as expensive that wouldn't break? Worth it. I also know the owner of a window and door company. He would buy the window material right now if it was available.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If he wants to claim criminals as his people then I'm happy to oblige him.

You're a complete idiot. There's nothing resembling decency in anything you post. You embarrass yourself, your family and your country every time you click "submit".

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

You're a complete idiot. There's nothing resembling decency in anything you post. You embarrass yourself, your family and your country every time you click "submit".

If I'm pissing off the likes of you then I'm doing it right.

Thanks for the affirmation!