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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:01 pm
 


In related news, half of Quebec non-francophones consider staying.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:41 am
 


Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
No, I like 20year old girls.

The problem with that is that I'm 57!

Trust me on this one, I'm turning 59 this month and you would not be able to handle the look on their faces the morning after!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:54 pm
 


Count_Lothian Count_Lothian:
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
No, I like 20year old girls.

The problem with that is that I'm 57!

Trust me on this one, I'm turning 59 this month and you would not be able to handle the look on their faces the morning after!!!
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Oh, marriage cured me of all of that! The problem is that as you get older, a big part of you remains 19 years old, inside until you start forgetting the um ... the um ... you know ...


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:01 pm
 


Lived there for a number of years and only ran across one case of a Francophone being a dick becuase I was English. Sadly for them and their sale they figured since I did not speak French well I also did not understand it and made a stupid anti english comment to their coworker right in front of me. I enlightened them that comprehension and spoken ability do not progress at the same rate then they lost the sale.

That said I know the rural French areas are much more anti English. We left in part due to the poor access to medical care in the region and lots of taxes for little results, and getting your kids to even English bilingual school was becoming harder and harder. They told a (Passport holding) British couple we knew they would have to prove they went to an English school in order for their kids to attend school in English in Quebec. How absurd and it was only getting worse.

Lovely province ruined by a sore loser syndrome held by too many.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:15 pm
 


Lovely province ruined by a sore loser syndrome held by too many.



That's the "cult of the victim" that I have mentioned a few times in here.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:37 am
 


My own experiences in Quebec, a month in Jonquiere as part of the J'Explore program and a summer in Quebec City as part of a university exchange program were enriching and rewarding experiences that I'll always treasure. All of the locals, federalist or separatist, were very friendly and accommodating. A couple of friends of mine of Chinese origin, who participated in similar programs, also had the same pleasant experiences.

In part because of that, I've also tried to see things from the Franco-Quebecois point of view, to get their views on why they see things like the languages laws as so necessary. To that extent, I've even come to support some aspects of the laws. That doesn't mean I support things like Pastagate or attempting to regulate an online Facebook page-such actions are just plain stupidity.

Besides, it's not as though the Franco-Quebecois are the only ones who have controversies over language. Look at the controversy over Chinese-only signs in Richmond, and the Chinese immigrants who agree with it. Arizona voters repealed their state's bilingual education programs and made them all almost English-only, while the British Home Secretary said that immigrants ought to only speak English in their homes. And when it comes to the attitudes behind the Charter of "Values", Quebec is hardly the only place where they exist...

A friend of mine who's about Jabberwalker's age also related to me her own personal experiences travelling through Quebec. While she doesn't speak a word of French, she found that it was the Montrealers who were rude assholes to her. By comparison, it was the people out in the smaller rural towns who were very friendly and accommodating. Even if they didn't speak much English, my friend and them still managed to get on quite well and somehow muddled through their conversations.

It's notable that so many of the people cited in this article talk about the economy as a reason for leaving. A number of prominent Quebecers, including separatists like Lucien Bouchard, have been talking for years about the need to fix the problem.

Here are some translated extracts:

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Quebec must obviously ensure that its citizens speak and write good French...the State must also make much more effort to ensure that Quebecois can speak and write in English, plus another language.

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Just as the Quebecois will be less numerous, so too must they be more productive. A work environment favourable to performance and innovation must be added to a skilled labour force.

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The unhealthy mistrust of the private sector that has developed in some circles must also be gotten rid of...Why do we accuse large Quebec companies of all kinds of evils when they want to invest here, even as we glorify ourselves with their international success?


Other prominent ideas include ending the cap on tuition increases and an overhaul of the provincial tax system to put more emphasis on consumption taxes and less emphasis on income taxes.

On the matter of language, Lucien Bouchard's brother Gérard also talked about how it would be "criminal" for Quebec to turn its back on English. Gérard also took issue with other separatists like Pauline Marois, accusing them of "nurturing anxiety and insecurity" for cheap political gains.

It seems to me that one of the biggest obstacles Quebec is facing right now is its godawful provincial leadership. And I'm sure we can all agree that that is a problem that Quebecois are hardly alone in facing...


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