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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:33 pm
 


from http://www.canada.com/topics/news/natio ... id=1021160

OTTAWA - To save his job and his government, Prime Minister Stephen Harper is expected within Conservative circles to prorogue, or suspend, Parliament this week while his party blitzes the country with a public-relations campaign aimed at discrediting the notion of a Liberal-led coalition government.
The Conservative party began airing radio ads Tuesday while ministers and other Tory spokesmen were appearing on as many all-news television channels and talk radio programs as they could to push their party's message that they will not, in the words of one of Harper's senior advisers, "allow a new radical government without the people's consent."
The all-out bare-knuckles politicking followed the unveiling Monday of a historic accord between the Liberals and the NDP to unseat Harper's minority government and replace it with a coalition supported by the Bloc Quebecois. The new coalition government would be led by Stephane Dion until May 2, his previously announced resignation date, after which time the new leader of the Liberal party would take over as prime minister. Jack Layton and five of his NDP MPs would get seats in the 24-person coalition cabinet.
The prime minister may even take to the airwaves himself this week with a nationally televised address.
For Harper, it is the fight of his political career. Many in his caucus are already grumbling that he is responsible for goading the opposition with unnecessary and incendiary initiatives in last week's economic and fiscal statement. In that document, the government proposed eliminating taxpayer subsidies for political parties and rolling back wages for public-sector unions while taking away their right to strike. Both those measures were hastily withdrawn over the weekend, but not before they had galvanized the opposition to begin the talks that would eventually lead to the coalition accord.
"I think any prime minister in that kind of situation wouldn't feel happy and won't feel comfortable," said Revenue Minister Jean-Pierre Blackburn. "This is not what the population of Canada has decided when they voted two months ago."
On Monday, as he entered the House of Commons, Conservative MPs - with two notable exceptions - gave Harper a standing ovation. Those two exceptions were Environment Minister Jim Prentice and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, two men who could challenge for the party leadership should it come to that.
The Conservative party also launched a new website at canadiansfordemocracy.ca and were trying organize various anti-coalition rallies across the country. Conservative activists are also being encouraged to call Liberal and NDP MPs to convince them to reconsider.
Meanwhile, Gov. Gen Michaelle Jean, who will play a key role in breaking the parliamentary logjam, cut short a state visit to Europe and will return to Canada on Wednesday.
Only the Governor General can prorogue Parliament and normally does so on the advice of the prime minister. Constitutional experts agree, however, that Jean has the legal right to refuse a request from the prime minister to prorogue although few expect her to do so.
Indeed, many Liberal and NDP MPs said Tuesday they fully expect Harper to prorogue.
"They're desperate so they're going to try pretty much everything," said Pablo Rodriguez, a Liberal MP from Montreal. "I wouldn't be surprised if Harper tried every trick in the book, but at the end of the day he's going to have to understand he's lost the confidence of the Commons."
If Harper does seek a prorogation and if the Governor General refuses his request, the government would face its first and likely last confidence vote in the House of Commons on Monday. Although Jean could choose to call a new general election should the government lose a confidence motion, constitutional experts and many Conservatives themselves believe that, given how little time has elapsed since the Oct. 14 general election, she would simply invite Dion to form a government and become the country's 23rd prime minister.
Jean said in a TV interview in Prague that she has received the letter Dion sent Monday on behalf of the coalition that has formed to replace the Conservatives.
"I received his letter, and the message in the letter is clear," Jean said. "I think that my presence is required in the country, so I will be leaving tomorrow."
Asked what she would do if Harper asks for a prorogation - or suspension - of the current session of Parliament, Jean replied that her door is open when she returns.
"Before I can answer this question, I have to see what the prime minister has to say to me, and what he is actually thinking of doing. I don't know exactly anything about his intentions yet."
Dion's letter to the Governor General requests that if Harper asks her to dissolve Parliament, triggering an election, she instead exercise her authority to call on the Liberal leader "to form a new collaborative government" with the NDP and the Bloc. The rationale is that Canadians just had an election Oct. 14.
"Given the critical situation facing our fellow citizens and the refusal and inability of the Harper government to deal with this critical situation, the opposition parties have decided that it was now time to take action," Dion said Monday at the accord signing, flanked by NDP Leader Jack Layton and Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe.
Harper did not speak to reporters Monday but at a Christmas party for Conservative staffers at an Ottawa hotel, he told supporters the country's very unity was at stake.
"We will use all legal means to resist this undemocratic seizure of power," Harper said.
Harper has also urged the opposition parties to at least wait for his government's budget, which will be tabled on Jan. 27.
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty accused the opposition parties of having no confidence in the Canadian economy. "They would rather make a deal with the devil," Flaherty said.
"This is a coalition that's supported by separatists, people who would break up our country," said Environment Minister Jim Prentice. "This is a serious situation. It is irresponsible and it is undemocratic."
Duceppe said his party is ready to support the coalition because the Conservatives chose partisan games based on ideological beliefs instead of considering the interests of Quebecers and Canadians.
"Since last Friday, the Conservatives have retreated on some points, but nothing could restore the trust that was broken by Stephen Harper," Duceppe said.
"In front of the urgency to act on the economic crisis, we started negotiations with the other opposition parties. Each one showed openness and a willingness to make compromises, which allowed us to reach an agreement."


© Canwest News Service 2008


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:35 pm
 


To save his job...

But it's not fair! :roll:

Suck it up sunshine, you blew it.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:39 pm
 


Scape Scape:
That's why we have a GG and a Westminster system. If the government loses the confidence (which he has) and the opposition can form a government then guess what, your guy cools his heels in Stornoway and he has no one to blame but himself.


It won't happen, It will either be a suspended sitting until the budget, or an election. The you Libs will get truly creamed.
That's why you guys are scared of a vote. You know how it looks to the undecided voters and you know that the Liberals will again lose big.
All this talk in the forums by you guys is you lot trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Most Tories will gladly admit that Harper screwed up. But you guys can't admit the unpalatable state your party is in, and you all know how bad you guys are looking, despite your brave faces.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:44 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Scape Scape:
That's why we have a GG and a Westminster system. If the government loses the confidence (which he has) and the opposition can form a government then guess what, your guy cools his heels in Stornoway and he has no one to blame but himself.


It won't happen, It will either be a suspended sitting until the budget, or an election. The you Libs will get truly creamed.
That's why you guys are scared of a vote. You know how it looks to the undecided voters and you know that the Liberals will again lose big.
All this talk in the forums by you guys is you lot trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Most Tories will gladly admit that Harper screwed up. But you guys can't admit the unpalatable state your party is in, and you all know how bad you guys are looking, despite your brave faces.


lolwut?


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Profound indeed sandbox


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EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Profound indeed sandbox


Indeed. Short and appropriate to the comment it was a response too.


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Too or to? Or maybe two?


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EyeBrock EyeBrock:
It won't happen, It will either be a suspended sitting until the budget, or an election.


If he prorogues, he'll have to have another throne speech, which is voted on and is a matter of confidence. Harper cannot force the next vote to be on a full fledged budget.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:21 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Too or to? Or maybe two?


Not sure, don't care really. :shrug;


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Definately time for another vote.
This vile deception can't be allowed and will only damage Canada more if it is forced.


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If we end up with the same what then? We have had 3 tries at this now, what has convinced you a 4th run to the polls will make that much of a difference? The clamor by the Harperies for a majority over the last 4 elections has been the exact same din with the same results.


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ridenrain ridenrain:
Definately time for another vote.
This vile deception can't be allowed and will only damage Canada more if it is forced.


The next Vote is a Confidence Vote. Which is why it is in fact the Conservatives who fear the next Vote.

Harper thought he had a Fool Proof Plan: Goad the Opposition into a No-Win situation. This, it seems Harper thought, would result in 1 of 2 things:

1) Opposition backs down and ends up crippling their ability to fight in the next Election

or

2) Opposition Votes "No Confidence" triggering another General Election and(added Bonus)giving Harper the surefire Issue he needed.

He made a mistake by not considering the 3rd option, Opposition Coalition. This is why he looks sick lately.

The Coaltion has a good chance of becoming Government, simply because of the close proximity to the last General Election. If he had waited 6 or more months, maybe his little scheme would have worked out, but he got greedy.


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sandorski sandorski:
If he had waited 6 or more months, maybe his little scheme would have worked out, but he got greedy.


Exactly.


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Scape Scape:
If we end up with the same what then? We have had 3 tries at this now, what has convinced you a 4th run to the polls will make that much of a difference? The clamor by the Harperies for a majority over the last 4 elections has been the exact same din with the same results.



Because the Libs are broke, leaderless and have just proved all they said about being different than the Bloc and the NDP was a bunch of crap.
Above it all, they have shown that they will do and say anything to get into power.

That is why Liberals are afraid to face the voters.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:59 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
Is that why Jack planned this out before the election?


that is the question he won't answer. He and his other stooges are just waiting for an opportunity to jump. This has nothing to do with the fiscal update.


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