[andyt]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

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However, to create a new universe would require a machine only slightly more powerful than the LHC -- and there is every chance that our own universe may have been manufactured in this way.

I'm talking about what you said here, if our universe was manufactured by a machine, who made who.

See my post above - maybe time isn't linear. So in effect everything has always been created, tho from our viewpoint it seems to be moving forward in time.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Then you have to ask, who created the people who created the machine....

Nobody created people, just universes. Once created they follow the laws of physics and evolution to produce intelligent life. The article doesn't speculate, but maybe there's no beginning or end to time. "We have always created the universes, we always will create the universes. The moment is structured that way."

The only factual answer to who created this all, if anybody even had a hand in it is, WE HAVE NO IDEA! That's the only honest and true answer to that question. Any other answer be it scientific or theologic is pure specualtion/faith/belief.

Absolutely. But physics does support the idea of spontaneous creation out of nothing, apparently. I read it, don't ask me to explain it.

[Chumley]

andyt andyt:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Then you have to ask, who created the people who created the machine....

Nobody created people, just universes. Once created they follow the laws of physics and evolution to produce intelligent life. The article doesn't speculate, but maybe there's no beginning or end to time. "We have always created the universes, we always will create the universes. The moment is structured that way."

I don't think he meant people in the human way, he meant who created the intelligent creature who created the machine that created the universe from which we came....
I always thought of the universe as having no beginning and no end too. Not multiple universes. That was the whole point of the "uni" prefix. Unless of course there is the concept of multiple times.

[andyt]

Chumley Chumley:

andyt andyt:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Then you have to ask, who created the people who created the machine....

Nobody created people, just universes. Once created they follow the laws of physics and evolution to produce intelligent life. The article doesn't speculate, but maybe there's no beginning or end to time. "We have always created the universes, we always will create the universes. The moment is structured that way."

I don't think he meant people in the human way, he meant who created the intelligent creature who created the machine that created the universe from which we came....
I always thought of the universe as having no beginning and no end too. Not multiple universes. That was the whole point of the "uni" prefix. Unless of course there is the concept of multiple times.

I got that Chumly, the question remains the same.

Mulitverses are big in physics. A guy who works in the field tried to explain string theory to me, but I didn't really get it. Other theories seem to posit a new universe being created every time a particle "chooses" between two states - ie an infinity of universes. The idea with black holes is that they take you to a different place in space time, so there's lots of room to create new universes.

But you're right, if there are more than one universe, then what's the name of the collective of universes - wouldn't that be the true reality?

Here is a guy (not the only physicist to say so) who says a better explanation than multiverses is that consciousness creates matter:

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A Clearer Light
Richard Conn Henry

http://henry.pha.jhu.edu/clearer.light.pdf


Here is him reviewing a book:

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"It is not matter that creates an illusion of consciousness, but consciousness that creates an illusion of matter." That is correct physics: it is not controversial in the slightest degree that there is no reality; this has been demonstrated in both theory and experiment (Gröblacher et al., Nature, 446, 871, 2007).

http://henry.pha.jhu.edu/haisch.html

[Bacardi4206]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

It doesn't seem that Steven Hawkings is an athiest. He avoids the discussion of God altogrther. Atheist tend to make a religion of anti-God or any antireligion.

I'm a Athiest and I am never in your face about athiesm. The only time I am is whenever somebody is trying to cram religion down my throat or I get into a religious debate that gets heated.

Out of all the athiests there are in the world, the only time I have seen them put as much effort into advertising as religion does is when they did that ad campaign on those bus's which I believe got shut down or that youtube comedy series where they act like religious guys who go door to door preaching religion, they instead go door to door preaching athiesm to those who are known to do this.

[johnmcclane]

I think he's being metaphoric in saying to have a complete understanding of the universe is to know the mind of God. Stephen Hawking has spoken about his beliefs before: He takes the rational approach, as most scientists do, which is there's no evidence to prove or disprove the existence of an almighty being.

Although, all evidence presented in support to date has been weak, and all I see out of (most) religion is conflict.

[kenmore]

Who created Hawking? lol

[Dragom]

So if you can create a universe with a machine we could build using next to no material...

How do you harvest the near infinite energy out of a universe you've made?

And is that a mass murder beyond all scope of human understanding?

And more then that, will we do so?

[herbie]

WTF machine? There is no damn machine.
The conditions exist that the universe could have created itself. The God argument has to move to 'then who created the conditions?'

[PluggyRug]

Methinks it's the universe(s) that created God(s).

[Dragom]

herbie herbie:

WTF machine? There is no damn machine.

True there is no machine slightly more powerful then the Large Hadron Collider and for that matter we can't get the LHC to work properly.

[ASLplease]

the universe didnt fall out of a box of cracker jacks

[Brenda]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Methinks it's the universe(s) that created God(s).

God's Universal

[Dragom]

ASLplease ASLplease:

the universe didnt fall out of a box of cracker jacks

How would you know that?

Having never personally handled a universe from the outside, I have no idea how possible it would be to place the item in a plastic shell egg for dispersion of toy universes through cracker jack boxes.

And if that is how the universe came to be... Is God the the factory owner, the factory worker or the child that received the universe and has since abandoned it in the attic?

Though I don't actually care.

[Bacardi4206]

ASLplease ASLplease:

the universe didnt fall out of a box of cracker jacks

Don't mock my god Cracker Jack who heils from the wonderful box city in the sky.