[N_Fiddledog]

Most of that is desperation, BS spin and diversion Doc, but this below is worth considering, because it's all you have left of a pertinent point.

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No, it actually wasn't. I was countering Martin, Brah, et. al., when they imply that the RCMP are not patrolling the border and not arresting people who cross illegally. Which is not possible, considering they are making arrests on both sides of the border WRT human smuggling. Which is exactly what those articles show, and which any person can click on the link and read for themselves. Which is exactly what my second sentence said, outright, and what my last sentence concluded.

Martin and Brah are not on this thread. I'm not sure who et. al is, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you heard something somewhere that gave you the impression some group did think the RCMP were not patrolling the border or arresting people.

Here's what the evidence says is happening though.

There is a loophole which is allowing immigrants invaders a backdoor into Canada by not crossing at the official crossing. Instead they jump the border in illegal areas and claim refugee status.

A black market type chain is developing of brokers and runners assisting this. There are reports of RCMP being contacted by these human smuggling chains to meet the invaders at the border. We have seen RCMP officers "bell hopping" the invaders across the border.

At the border they claim they are putting them under arrest but in almost all cases they are chauffeured to have their refugee requests processed after which they are free in Canada to await the next step in the bureaucracy.

There were 3 of 135 border jumpers one month in Manitoba who were detained for what appeared to be open warrants. The border guard union claims at least 50% of border jumping refugee claimants have past records of criminality.

A woman was charged for human smuggling in Saskatchewan, but she was arrested on the Canadian side with invaders in her van.

The claim is this all began in earnest after this:

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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau reassured those fleeing war and persecution that Canada’s doors will remain open, as United States President Donald Trump banned refugees from seven war-torn countries from entering the US.

“To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength” Trudeau tweeted today, a day after Trump signed an executive order indefinitely suspending admissions for Syrian refugees and barring nationals from six other Muslim-majority countries for 90 days.

At present we know of at least hundreds of these border jumping, refugee claimant cases at present. They are expected to continue and multiply as the weather improves, knowledge spreads, and the human smuggling network improves function.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Most of that is desperation, BS spin and diversion Doc, but this below is worth considering, because it's all you have left of a pertinent point.

"Desperation". Translated from the Fiddlese, that means you tap out. Fair enough, you were on pretty shaky ground as is. But I'm used to you not backing up your insults and accusations with facts. Like I said, the opinions you reveal rarely survive the life of the thread.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Martin and Brah are not on this thread. I'm not sure who et. al is, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you heard something somewhere that gave you the impression some group did think the RCMP were not patrolling the border or arresting people.

And yet, my post was not addressed to anything you posted, yet you felt the need to chime in. And you do know these are written words, right? No one 'says' or 'hears' anything except the voices in their own heads.

Martin and Brah know what they've written in the past, and I have a good memory. Even if they don't post, I'm sure they read any thread that triggers them with the words 'asylum seeker' in the title. They don't need to post, my intention was to inform, and I'm confident I accomplished that.

Triggering you was just bonus.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Here's what the evidence says is happening though.

Evidence? Where is yours? I posted mine.

Or is this 'evidence' based on your feelings again? All you describe is based on how law in Canada and the world pertains to refugees. No surprises to anyone. It's been posted before that an elimination of the safe third country policy would eliminate illegal border crossings. Again, no surprise.

But you keep using emotionally charged words like 'invaders'. Where is your proof that a mercenary force of 132 men, women and children are "invading" Canada? Or are you now trying to bring #7 on your anti-leftie list into play?

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"Desperation". Translated from the Fiddlese, that means you tap out. Fair enough, you were on pretty shaky ground as is.

No it means you are behaving in a desperate manner to divert from the point of the thread as evidenced by you continuing to do so as in the above quote. I'm pretty sure I personally have nothing to do with human smuggling, yet I seem to be all you want to talk about. Should I be flattered or worried?

But wait, what is this below? Could it be? Dare I suspect? Is this an actual point in rebuttal of my many well evidenced points.

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But you keep using emotionally charged words like 'invaders'. Where is your proof that a mercenary force of 132 men, women and children are "invading" Canada? Or are you now trying to bring #7 on your anti-leftie list into play?

Speaking of evidence these questions of yours appear to support the suspicion you either don't actually read the articles you link to or you're having comprehension problems.

From your CBC link titled 3 out of 135 recent asylum seekers deemed danger to the public, detained in Manitoba

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Over a recent one-month stretch, three people intercepted by RCMP while crossing into Canada on foot near Emerson, Man., were detained because they were found to be a danger to the public, Canada Border Services Agency officials say.

Between March 20 and April 16, 135 asylum seekers were found illegally crossing the border near the small Manitoba town.

Details released Wednesday show the number of asylum seekers crossing the border into the province is climbing.

And this is interesting I think:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... -1.4028468

They can't or won't tell us exactly how many asylum claimants are crossing illegally, but 2,176 people made asylum claims in the first 2 months of the year.

They also describe the process of the border jumping loop-hole.

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Under the Safe Third Country Agreement, Canada generally does not accept refugee claimants coming in via the U.S., but there are exceptions. Canada is also a signatory to the United Nations Refugee Convention, so those who sneak through the border crossing can be given permission to make a claim here.

The fastest way border crossers can do that is go directly to a CBSA office or get picked up by police and sent to the CBSA.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've pointed to you to evidence for any claim I've made but if you're having problems comprehending what should be in front of your face tell me specifically what you can't find and I'll do my best to explain it to you.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"Desperation". Translated from the Fiddlese, that means you tap out. Fair enough, you were on pretty shaky ground as is.

No it means you are behaving in a desperate manner to divert from the point of the thread as evidenced by you continuing to do so as in the above quote.

I'm simply addressing your posts claiming that I'm being dishonest. Something you seem to be dancing around. My views haven't changed from my original post, but yours seem to be all over the place.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

But wait, what is this below? Could it be? Dare I suspect? Is this an actual point in rebuttal of my many well evidenced points.

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But you keep using emotionally charged words like 'invaders'. Where is your proof that a mercenary force of 132 men, women and children are "invading" Canada? Or are you now trying to bring #7 on your anti-leftie list into play?

Well evidenced? What evidence? All you do is repost the same things in the article, with your own opinion (not facts) added!

And you still have not shown me how 132 men, women and children are "invading" Canada. 40 million vs 132. Seems like they might win!

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Speaking of evidence these questions of yours appear to support the suspicion you either don't actually read the articles you link to or you're having comprehension problems.

From your CBC link titled 3 out of 135 recent asylum seekers deemed danger to the public, detained in Manitoba

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Over a recent one-month stretch, three people intercepted by RCMP while crossing into Canada on foot near Emerson, Man., were detained because they were found to be a danger to the public, Canada Border Services Agency officials say.

Between March 20 and April 16, 135 asylum seekers were found illegally crossing the border near the small Manitoba town.

Details released Wednesday show the number of asylum seekers crossing the border into the province is climbing.

And this is interesting I think:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... -1.4028468

They can't or won't tell us exactly how many asylum claimants are crossing illegally, but 2,176 people made asylum claims in the first 2 months of the year.

(Edit: And that part of the article, that people were detained due to their security screenings goes directly against the BS I've seen published here in the past)

Because, you well know that Refugee claims take 3 months to be reviewed. So we still have a month before the first ones are complete, and some time after that for results to be published.

Is that your 'evidence' of invasion? No, it's just you casting FUD to the wind, hoping it will stick somewhere.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

They also describe the process of the border jumping loop-hole.

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Under the Safe Third Country Agreement, Canada generally does not accept refugee claimants coming in via the U.S., but there are exceptions. Canada is also a signatory to the United Nations Refugee Convention, so those who sneak through the border crossing can be given permission to make a claim here.

The fastest way border crossers can do that is go directly to a CBSA office or get picked up by police and sent to the CBSA.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've pointed to you to evidence for any claim I've made but if you're having problems comprehending what should be in front of your face tell me specifically what you can't find and I'll do my best to explain it to you.

It was quite simple, and you seem to be dancing around it again. Let me refresh your memory:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

This is why these invaders take advantage of Canada's border jumpers' loophole rather than cross at the official crossing.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

On first read I missed the fact that CBC did tell us what happened to the other 132 invaders not charged with a crime.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There is a loophole which is allowing immigrants invaders a backdoor into Canada by not crossing at the official crossing. Instead they jump the border in illegal areas and claim refugee status.

Explain to us how 132 men, women and children are "invading" Canada.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

So wait a minute are you now telling us that when you were posting about what you were calling your "facts" you actually knew about all the contradictions within the articles you were linking to the point you were trying to make?

See why people get called liars? It's hard not to notice when they lie.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I'm sure you forgetting that part was a simple mistake, of course.

Explain to me how linking directly to a story and not quoting any part of it is lie on my part.

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's what happened in Europe when a national leader made remarks similar to Justin Trudeau's now infamous quote "“To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength”"

[DrCaleb]

Looks like more than 132 people there.

[N_Fiddledog]

Let's do some explaining the obvious for those having problems keeping up. Apparently they exist.

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Explain to us how 132 men, women and children are "invading" Canada.

There's no way to explain this other than to repeat the obvious until you hear it.

There is a loophole currently allowing any who wish to enter Canada and disappear into the bureaucracy once arrived by illegally jumping the border and claiming refugee status.

I've already given you this link, but here's one example of what I'm calling an invader doing exactly that - invading. Our officials explain to him he can't enter in the manner he wants to. He invades anyway.



But invader is just a word I choose. The physical and well evidenced fact is they are avoiding the official requirements of entering Canada by exploiting a loophole where they will not be punished for breaking into the country illegally.

Sounds like invasion to me. It doesn't to you. Very well, the word is not the point anyway. Pouting about a word you don't like so you don't have to deal with the actual fact of what it's describing is diversion from the point.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Looks like more than 132 people there.

Yes and that should scare you. Refusing to learn from Europe's mistake would be an even dumber one.

[N_Fiddledog]

I'll tell you what...if you find the word invader too triggering we can use the term Border Jumpers.

The number 132 described 132 border jumpers in Manitoba who crossed in 1 month, made bogus refugee claims and were released into Canada (my personal guess says most will disappear).

3 more of that Manitoba bunch of 132 were detained on open warrants.

We don't know how many border jumpers there actually are, but there were over 2,000 refugee claimants nationally in the first 2 months of this year.

Border jumping by claimants to the border jumping loophole is now being reported the length of Canada's 3,000 mile or so border. The activity is increasing and expected to get worse by summer. We can only guess how bad it will get.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Let's do some explaining the obvious for those having problems keeping up. Apparently they exist.

Why are you writing to yourself?

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

$1:

Explain to us how 132 men, women and children are "invading" Canada.

There's no way to explain this other than to repeat the obvious until you hear it.

There is a loophole currently allowing any who wish to enter Canada and disappear into the bureaucracy once arrived by illegally jumping the border and claiming refugee status.

Again, no one is 'speaking'. This is 'written' communication.

And you keep rehashing the same things we've gone through. Remove safe third country . .bla bla bla.

But you yourself quoted the part of the CBC article that stated a number of people were detained because they posed a security risk - which negates your statement that people are 'disappearing'.

Do you see why I keep going over this? You post the rebuttal to your own horseshit, then claim it meant something other than what it says!

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I've already given you this link, but here's one example of what I'm calling an invader doing exactly that - invading. Our officials explain to him he can't enter in the manner he wants to. He invades anyway.

I don't watch the videos you post. Ever. I've given you the benefit of the doubt once too often, and cannot believe the fake stores Ezra will manufacture.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

But invader is just a word I choose. The physical and well evidenced fact is they are avoiding the official requirements of entering Canada by exploiting a loophole where they will not be punished for breaking into the country illegally.

Claiming refugee status is not illegal, nor is it invasion. International law states that clearly.

Seems a pretty stupid form of invasion when a cop on one side of a border says "if you cross, you will be arrested", then they cross anyway and are arrested. Advantage of surprise is lost then.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Sounds like invasion to me. It doesn't to you. Very well, the word is not the point anyway. Pouting about a word you don't like so you don't have to deal with the actual fact of what it's describing is diversion from the point.

It's exactly the point. Refugee status is something every compassionate nation respects. Like the guy I heard on the news this morning. Former cop from Djibouti.
He refused an order to kill civilian protesters, and escaped here to claim refugee status. Sounds like an invasion to me!

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Yes and that should scare you. Refusing to learn from Europe's mistake would be an even dumber one.

Are you officially invoking #7 of your anti-lefty chart?

And forgetting how Muslims actually feel about Canada is definitely a mistake.

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=100582

current-events-f59/muslim-canadians-increasingly-proud-of-and-attached-to-canad-t115971.html

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I'll tell you what...if you find the word invader too triggering we can use the term Border Jumpers.

Nope. You used 'invaders'. Own it.

[N_Fiddledog]

No problem, I'm happy with the term invaders. Apparently you feel triggered by it so I'd be willing to use the term border jumpers to get along.

But I'm fine with invaders, border jumpers or border jumping invaders.

There is evidence of invasion when a border jumper is on video refusing an RCMP demand to use the official crossing. It must be illegal to cross where the invader insists he will, because the officer tells him he's under arrest when he refuses to comply and invades anyway.

This is all on video. You refusing to see the evidence doesn't make it go away Mr. Ostrich Man.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

No problem, I'm happy with the term invaders. Apparently you feel triggered by it so I'd be willing to use the term border jumpers to get along.

But I'm fine with invaders, border jumpers or border jumping invaders.

There is evidence of invasion when a border jumper is on video refusing an RCMP demand to use the official crossing. It must be illegal to cross where the invader insists he will, because the officer tells him he's under arrest when he refuses to comply and invades anyway.

This is all on video. You refusing to see the evidence doesn't make it go away Mr. Ostrich Man.

From your summation, that is not 'invasion'. People don't normally get arrested after a failed 'invasion'. Unless you think afterward they are put into some secret POW camp?

Since you seem unwilling to show how this is an 'invasion', let's move on to the second part of what I don't understand - how I can lie about something I never said.

Riddle me that.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

From your summation, that is not 'invasion'. People don't normally get arrested after a failed 'invasion'. Unless you think afterward they are put into some secret POW camp?

First of all how can I not go over the same ground when you refuse to remember basic facts or misapprehend the simple stuff.

There is a legal way to cross the border and an illegal way. "They" choose the illegal way of border jumpers and so can be seen as invaders using this definition I just grabbed off Google:

Invade: to enter (a place, situation, or sphere of activity) in large numbers, especially with intrusive effect.

"demonstrators invaded the presidential palace"
synonyms: overrun, swarm, overwhelm, inundate

The process of dealing with these invaders is often catch and release. When RCMP claim an arrest then bell-hop the border jumpers across the border, they later release them to disappear into the Canadian bureaucracy.

"Welcome to Canada" you, Justin and Gerald would say, but an increasing - and I'm hearing estimated majority of Canadians - are seeing the soon to be an incoming horde as unwelcome intruder/invaders into Canada.

[N_Fiddledog]

BTW seeing as you so often feel the need to slip off topic I know you won't mind me adding something tangential to all this...just cause it's interesting: