[ridenrain]

How can I support him?

It will be interesting to see if this leak is the actual budget. Misleading the opposition into believing something is so bad that they proceed down the coalition road, then yanking the carpet out from under them would be very damaging to the Libs and embarassing as hell.

Aside from tricks, I also trust the economist to have a better plan than the party that was convicted of stealing Taxpayers money.

[Tman1]

Maybe, I don't have a problem with Ignatieff but then again, nobody knows him because he hasn't lived in this country long enough. I don't want the coalition to be honest and prefer Harper to use up his term although he hasn't impressed me much. He was elected and he should serve his term. Judge him then.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

How can I support him?

It will be interesting to see if this leak is the actual budget. Misleading the oposition into believing something is so bad that they proceed down the coalition road, thn yanking the carpet out rom under them would be very damaging to the Libs and embarassing as hell.

Aside from tricks, I also trust the economist to have a better plan than the party that was convicted of stealing Taxpayers money.

What a load. Despite the fact Jim boy himself presented a massive deficit its still a trick eh?

Martin was an economist, an actually trained one at that. Did you trust him?

What will you say when the truth about the 30+ billion deficit becomes factual in your eyes?

"I don't like this but ....."

"You don't throw the baby out with the bath water"

"This sucks,I really wish I was a Liberal"

[ridenrain]

Should Iggy vote against it then?
Yes or No?

[Tman1]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Martin was an economist, an actually trained one at that. Did you trust him?

When you're both a trained economist and leader of a country and can't win the trust of the people...there's a problem. Martin may have balanced the budget but even that can't please everybody or anybody for that matter. I don't think Jim Flaherty is any better but in these circumstances, I don't think anybody can predict or fix anything until the ball rolls and stops.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Should Iggy vote against it then?
Yes or No?

I already said I think the budget should be shot down if he doesn't make corrections to avoid a massive debt.

Now you: Do you support running a 30 billion dollar deficit and will you stand by it?

[DerbyX]

Tman1 Tman1:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Martin was an economist, an actually trained one at that. Did you trust him?

When you're both a trained economist and leader of a country and can't win the trust of the people...there's a problem. Martin may have balanced the budget but even that can't please everybody or anybody for that matter. I don't think Jim Flaherty is any better but in these circumstances, I don't think anybody can predict or fix anything until the ball rolls and stops.

They are supposed to. Martin knew enough to do the right thing. Thats why the entire surplus went towards the debt with the exception being 04 and onwards due to election issues.

Harper knew full well the extent of his promises WRT tax cuts and spending increases. That is entirely why he did not release a detailed budget/platform last election. He knew full well it would either be exposed as a lie or else show massive red.

I said almost 2 years ago he was leading us into deficit spending and I was right. The recent economic problems just make it worse but he was in red long before any talk of auto bailouts.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Should Iggy vote against it then?
Yes or No?

I already said I think the budget should be shot down if he doesn't make corrections to avoid a massive debt.

Now you: Do you support running a 30 billion dollar deficit and will you stand by it?

So that's a no then.


No, I don't support running a 30 billion deficit. I don't like bailouts or government getting into the industry either.

Then again, I also hate hearing whining wimps from Quebec, bitching that their arts funding is cut. Or whiney ass political parties who haven't figured out that they need to rely on their supporters to send them money, not just the government.

I doubt that the final tally will be anywhere near that.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

No, I don't support running a 30 billion deficit. I don't like bailouts or government getting into the industry either.

Then again, I also hate hearing whining wimps from Quebec, bitching that their arts funding is cut. Or whiney ass political parties who haven't figured out that they need to rely on their supporters to send them money, not just the government.

I doubt that the final tally will be anywhere near that.

In other words you do not support Harper's current budget that will run us some 34 billion in deficit. Good to know.

Cutting arts was wrong. It provides far more in cultural terms even if it doesn't in terms of dollars. The party financing through federal subsidy abolishment would have been accepted if Harper had restored the previous rules. The Libs changed those rules at the behest of the CPC primarily who argued those rules were wrong. They brought that initiative in because of Harper and if he did not like it he was free to restore the original rules.

Its so good you think that the final accounting will be less then Jim Flarehty's own numbers.

What will you say if they are worse?

[DerbyX]

Tman1 Tman1:

Please explain if Martin did the right thing, everything was on track, great surplus but apparently with election issues the Liberals, Martin being the previous PM, was not re-elected. Canadians not happy with a booming economy with a balanced budget? Seems kind of odd to toss all these problems on Harper's spending habits in 2 years when there weren't any spending at all with the Liberals thus creating huge surpluses. You can't run a country and not pay top dollar to support it unless you want to live like Cuba to save every penny to earn a dime. Yet when the U.S farts out a recession (Canada was and still is in better standing than anybody else) people cry foul and form a lynch mob because, like Martin, Canadians are just not satisfied without perfection.

I think Martin was a better PM then Chretien. He was finance minister and the architect of the deficit elimination and debt reduction.

The Libs lost because the scandals added up (as all govt's suffer) including the hurtful adscam. That and the fact that people want change.

The problem with Harper was he desired power and went against good thought. He was warned that things would swing the other way which was entirely why the Liberals put as much as they could towards the debt.

Think about it. Half these people still think Mulroney was a genius yet he failed where Liberals excelled. Mulroney had the golden era of the 80s before he hit his recession. Chretien faced that recession for years before the good times.

Harper was handed a massive surplus and in 2 years turned it into a massive deficit.

Who should be responsible?

[uwish]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ziggy ziggy:

I dont remember too many "Cons" on this site that were wanting to see a huge auto bailout,help yes,but no bailout without cooperation from the workers.

On yer bike Derby!

I don't recall any Liberals wanting either it nor a massive debt but you don't seem the slightest bit fazed when uwish blames us for what you and your man Harper wanted.

again another dodge, you deny dion on national TV screamed about the fiscal update because it didn't include a massive economic stimulus package? You must be watching fox news then.

and once again, NO ONE was demanding a stimulus package accept the NDP and the liberals. The fiscal update contained NO such deficit spending, that is why the liberals has a hissy fit and started to sleep with the bloc!

[uwish]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Should Iggy vote against it then?
Yes or No?

I already said I think the budget should be shot down if he doesn't make corrections to avoid a massive debt.

Now you: Do you support running a 30 billion dollar deficit and will you stand by it?

so then you freely admit the liberals proposed budget is BS, then why should the CPC try to appease the ADSCAM party? They didn't want a deficit in the first place.

[DerbyX]

uwish uwish:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Should Iggy vote against it then?
Yes or No?

I already said I think the budget should be shot down if he doesn't make corrections to avoid a massive debt.

Now you: Do you support running a 30 billion dollar deficit and will you stand by it?

so then you freely admit the liberals proposed budget is BS, then why should the CPC try to appease the ADSCAM party? They didn't want a deficit in the first place.

No. (can you read english properly?) I said I don't support this budget when it runs a 34 billion dollar deficit. Dion's did not.

Dion fully costed his platform, the same platform Harper would not put in print because he knew he was running a massive deficit already.

Iggy has no budget because he is not required to have one until an election is called or he head the next coalition govt.

I might ask you if you support Harpers massive deficit budget but you will just blame the Libs for the deficit and reward Harper for the spending.

[uwish]

I am not rewarding harper for this deficit. I see it as the CPC having no choice, if the had a choice, it wouldn't be deficit spending.

That nice little gem rest surely and squarely on the head of the liberal beast and those of their separatist bed buddies.

[DerbyX]

uwish uwish:

I am not rewarding harper for this deficit. I see it as the CPC having no choice, if the had a choice, it wouldn't be deficit spending.

That nice little gem rest surely and squarely on the head of the liberal beast and those of their separatist bed buddies.

They have a choice. They could stand up for their budget like they should.

I doubt you would give the libs the benefit of the doubt.

HARPER is responsible for this massive deficit.

For once in your life take responsibility.