[Arctic_Menace]

It all really comes down to skill. I remember hearing that at Maple Flag or something like that, the Canadians in their "archaic" CF-18's kicked the Americans in their shiny new F-22's.

[ridenrain]

You're going to have to prove that one. I've read of F15 eagles being almost helpless around the F22. Skill is vital but only in a fair fight.

[weaponeer]

F22 has never deployed to Maple Flag, never been in Canada.

During ex Cope Thunder in Alaska, F22's in a mission I controlled, obliterated 12 F18's, 4 were Canadian. They did not have a prayer. It is all technology, the F22 radar is amazing. They ability of a fighter is radar, and the missile it shoots. The F22 radar is the best in the air, their missile has the longest reach and it can out turn anything flying. They never fly alone, so that just adds to the problem. A typical F22 training mission is a 2V8, 2 F22 vers 8 other fighters. I have controlled some F22 v F22 action, that's cool....

[ridenrain]

I think this is all around this one hud picture, suposidly taken by a super hornet:

http://www.alert5.com/2006/04/fa-18f-gu ... f-22a.html

Popular opinion was, aside from the hornet being killed a dozen times before this happened, he's now in a slow, and slowing turning dive, just to get that one shot. He's now a sitting duck.

[weaponeer]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I think this is all around this one hud picture, suposidly taken by a super hornet:

http://www.alert5.com/2006/04/fa-18f-gu ... f-22a.html

Popular opinion was, aside from the hornet being killed a dozen times before this happened, he's now in a slow, and slowing turning dive, just to get that one shot. He's now a sitting duck.

Sometimes you get lucky, but I still would not like to face one. I would love to see Canada buy F18E Super Hornets instead of JSF, but it is a done deal I think....

[twister]

Stealth jet eh.. maybe it's so stealthy... they have them just no one has seen them...

here's the movie: Peral Harbour Redux the second battle.. Stealth Banzai

[BartSimpson]

Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:

One only has to make a comparison between American and Japanese cars, for example.

It's funny cause a friend of mine, which is completely sold on Chevy, used to argue a bit on US vs Japan built cars. I had a Mistubishi Eclipse and he had a Chevy Truck. There is no comparison. Japanese cars are so much better equipped and reliable.

Plus all the money spent on union workers in Detroit, at least the Japanese can afford to put all that extra money towards the components. Therefore make a better car.

In initial quality the Japanese win, hands down.

But twenty years from now the Chevy pickup will probably still be on the road and the Japanese car will have been recycled into a Kia at least once.

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

weaponeer weaponeer:

I don't think he knows much about military equipment, there capablities or their limitations. Just anit-Americanism....

Indeed. Glad to see you back, haven't seen you in a while.

Ditto that.

[BartSimpson]

weaponeer weaponeer:

It has been intense, I am enjoying it. Doing Airforce stuff, but it is fun. Can't get into specifics... Don't get too much computer time, and what I get I use to talk to girlfriend.

I have some friends from MARSOC in country right now - if you need something let me know and I'll call in some favors.

[weaponeer]

I bought a 2007 Dodge Charger before I left for Afghanistan, I love it, Japan cannot match it. Can't wait to get home to drive it again, miss the Hemi:)

I agree with Bart, the Chevy will be on the road for the next 20+ years. When is the last time you saw a 1987 Honda???

[weaponeer]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

weaponeer weaponeer:

It has been intense, I am enjoying it. Doing Airforce stuff, but it is fun. Can't get into specifics... Don't get too much computer time, and what I get I use to talk to girlfriend.

I have some friends from MARSOC in country right now - if you need something let me know and I'll call in some favors.

Appreciate it, thanks. I am working with the USAF & Aussie AF here, great bunch of folks. I have to go, others waiting for computer, later....

[BartSimpson]

weaponeer weaponeer:

I bought a 2007 Dodge Charger before I left for Afghanistan, I love it, Japan cannot match it. Can't wait to get home to drive it again, miss the Hemi:)

I agree with Bart, the Chevy will be on the road for the next 20+ years. When is the last time you saw a 1987 Honda???

Not even at the boneyards.

[BartSimpson]

weaponeer weaponeer:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

weaponeer weaponeer:

It has been intense, I am enjoying it. Doing Airforce stuff, but it is fun. Can't get into specifics... Don't get too much computer time, and what I get I use to talk to girlfriend.

I have some friends from MARSOC in country right now - if you need something let me know and I'll call in some favors.

Appreciate it, thanks. I am working with the USAF & Aussie AF here, great bunch of folks. I have to go, others waiting for computer, later....

Take care and check six.

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:

One only has to make a comparison between American and Japanese cars, for example.

It's funny cause a friend of mine, which is completely sold on Chevy, used to argue a bit on US vs Japan built cars. I had a Mistubishi Eclipse and he had a Chevy Truck. There is no comparison. Japanese cars are so much better equipped and reliable.

Plus all the money spent on union workers in Detroit, at least the Japanese can afford to put all that extra money towards the components. Therefore make a better car.

In initial quality the Japanese win, hands down.

But twenty years from now the Chevy pickup will probably still be on the road and the Japanese car will have been recycled into a Kia at least once.

Don't be too sure. My parents finally gave up (gave up way too easy in my opinion) on their '83 Corolla about seven years ago when it came to need $1600 in differential and front-end work at the ripe old age of 18 (and just a couple thousand shy of 300000 km). Dad thought it wasn't worth the trouble, but I think he just really wanted his Miata. I've seen it twice on the road since (the patterns in the rust identify it uniquely). Just a couple months ago I saw one of the same generation, so it must have been at least 24 years old (they changed styles in '84, so it must be an '83 or older).

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

In initial quality the Japanese win, hands down.

But twenty years from now the Chevy pickup will probably still be on the road and the Japanese car will have been recycled into a Kia at least once.

The only reason there are so many old Chevy/Ford/GM beaters on the road is that parts are cheap and they are easy to fix.

I had a 1990 Toyota Tercel that lasted for 260,000 kms with no major problems (bought it with 180,000 kms). I only had to replace the distributor cap besides doing oil changes and brake service. Then it the engine died and I made the mistake of choosing to replace it with a newer 1998 Ford Taurus with only 150,000 kms (built with pride in America - Chicago to be exact). By 200,000 kms, the Taurus had cost me over $2500 in repairs in only 18 months. I finally dumped that car 4 months ago. And all I did was drive the car to and from work and around town.


I will never buy another Ford as long as I live. No wonder they are on the verge of bankruptcy.