[sandorski]

desertdude desertdude:

15 to 20 years back the Ice Age was happening "now"

More like 35, but it was only a few who thought so and they didn't think so for very long. Reason is that they saw their error as new Data came to light.

GW/CC is real. Deal with it.

[Bodah]

sandorski sandorski:

GW/CC is real. Deal with it.

I agree climate does change. It's been changing since the dawn of time.

[Apollo]

Keep in mind that "Hottest June of all time" really means hottest June in the past 120 years. That's how long we have been keeping records. Consider how long the earth has been around, 120 years is literally a fraction of a fraction of a fraction in time.

[desertdude]

Bodah Bodah:

sandorski sandorski:

GW/CC is real. Deal with it.

I agree climate does change. It's been changing since the dawn of time.

Exactly, Earth has been going through these hot and cold cycles for ages now. But ofcourse in todays world nothing goes by without someone trying to make a quick buck on it.

[sandorski]

desertdude desertdude:

Bodah Bodah:

sandorski sandorski:

GW/CC is real. Deal with it.

I agree climate does change. It's been changing since the dawn of time.

Exactly, Earth has been going through these hot and cold cycles for ages now. But ofcourse in todays world nothing goes by without someone trying to make a quick buck on it.

This one is different and unprecedented.

[2Cdo]

sandorski sandorski:

desertdude desertdude:

15 to 20 years back the Ice Age was happening "now"

More like 35, but it was only a few who thought so and they didn't think so for very long. Reason is that they saw their error as new Data came to light.

GW/CC is real. Deal with it.

It was far more than just a few, and they bombarded us with "doom and gloom' reports for several YEARS. Suzuki was one of those "Ice Age Coming" guys.

Back then they also used the argument that the science proved it. Now we laugh at them, as we will laugh at the Cult of Global Warming in 20-30 years.

[desertdude]

No not like 35, clearly into the mid 80's, and yes as 2cdo's said and me earlier there was the usual barrage of articles, interviews, special reports, Tv specials and studies ( well basically the same kind of stuff we see or atleast use to see with the GW camp ) by the scientists and experts of the time that we are all going to turn into popsicles very soon.

There is always money to be made from doom and gloom whether it be the multi billion green industry of today or paying IT techies to update your tech so it won't turn into paperweights at the ringing of the new year.

Doom and Gloom sells

[Apollo]

[/quote]

Exactly, Earth has been going through these hot and cold cycles for ages now. But ofcourse in todays world nothing goes by without someone trying to make a quick buck on it.[/quote]

This one is different and unprecedented.[/quote]

Let me help you...... "This one is different and unprecedented" over the past 120 years. We as humans have no idea what the precedent is. Can anyone tell me what the temperatures were like in June of 1850? How do we know that 1850, or 1865 wasn't the hottest June?

[Scape]

Apollo Apollo:

Keep in mind that "Hottest June of all time" really means hottest June in the past 120 years. That's how long we have been keeping records. Consider how long the earth has been around, 120 years is literally a fraction of a fraction of a fraction in time.

Bingo!

If this becomes a trend by every year becomes hotter then the next then the stability of the system itself is in question.

[Apollo]

Scape Scape:

Apollo Apollo:

Keep in mind that "Hottest June of all time" really means hottest June in the past 120 years. That's how long we have been keeping records. Consider how long the earth has been around, 120 years is literally a fraction of a fraction of a fraction in time.

Bingo!

If this becomes a trend by every year becomes hotter then the next then the stability of the system itself is in question.

But it's not becoming hotter every month much less every year. If June was the hottest month, what happened to January, February, March, April, and May? By your logic, there is no warming trend if 5 of the 6 months thus far this year are cooler than past years.

[Scape]

I would be referring to a trend over decades not months. The globe is substantially hotter now than it was 31 years ago but like a beating heart the climate still goes through cycles. How do we know if a heart is sick? It is when the beats become weaker or more erratic when it starts adopting a pace it can not maintain over an extended period. When our weather starts peaking temperatures that it has never before crested this too is a indicator of erratic behavior. The problem is we do not have all the details required but we are getting more and more every day. We may have only been keeping records for 120 years but we do know what has been considered hot or dry over that period. If the trend is towards hotter climes then I would suggest that the pendulum swings both ways and if it keeps getting hotter then the overall stability of the ecosystem itself is in question.

[N_Fiddledog]

"Substantially higher"?

Huh? It would only be about .5 of a degree C averaged out wouldn't it?

When you say 31 years I assume you're talking about the satellite record. Here it is.



The satellite record is probably the best we have. Here's what one of the scientists (Dr. Roy Spencer) who monitors one of the satellite records says about June.

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The global-average lower tropospheric temperature remains warm, +0.44 deg. C for June, 2010, but it appears the El Nino warmth is waning as a La Nina approaches.

For those keeping track of whether 2010 ends up being a record warm year, 1998 still leads with the daily average for 1 Jan to 30 June being +0.64 C in 1998 compared with +0.56 C for 2010. (John Christy says that the difference is not statistically significant.) As of 30 June 2010, there have been 181 days in the year. From our calibrated daily data, we find that 1998 was warmer than 2010 on 122 (two-thirds) of them.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2010/07/jun ... -44-deg-c/

He mentions El nino. Here's what's been happening there.

http://www.eldersweather.com.au/climimage.jsp?i=nino34

There's some question about how accurate the NOAA claim for June was.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/17/n ... pressions/

The satellite record says June was warm though, but so what? As night follows day, if Spencer is correct about a coming La Nina expect the second half of 2010 to cool as we slip from El Nino into La Nina.

If that happens, don't expect hysterical newspaper articles telling you what the global temperature was this month.

Also, because we have recently shifted into a negative PDO which should last 30ish years we should expect fewer, and less powerful El Ninos (warmer), and more, and more influential La Ninas (cooler).

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Fact: without global warming 99% of Canada would be under 2km of ice.

How do you know? Did you do the calculations yourself?

[Zipperfish]

Apollo Apollo:

Keep in mind that "Hottest June of all time" really means hottest June in the past 120 years. That's how long we have been keeping records. Consider how long the earth has been around, 120 years is literally a fraction of a fraction of a fraction in time.

Probably closer to 150 actually. And while you're keeping that in mind, keep in mind that each of the last 13 years was one of the warmest 14 years on record. "literally a fraction of a fraction"??? -- wow, that's some real stand-up sceince you've done there.

[Zipperfish]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

It was far more than just a few, and they bombarded us with "doom and gloom' reports for several YEARS. Suzuki was one of those "Ice Age Coming" guys.

Back then they also used the argument that the science proved it. Now we laugh at them, as we will laugh at the Cult of Global Warming in 20-30 years.

Who's "they"? Oh, I know--the secret cabal of scientists, journalists and Marxists who've taken over the world and dreamed up this global warming thing institute a one-world socialist government.