[Zipperfish]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Not so sure about that. If he ups his game over the next few months and the Liberals actually put a decent policy platform together then I think they stand a good chance.

I'm rather surprised in all of the typical tut-tutting that goes on here when Trudeau's name or the Liberal Party of Canada is said that reality is being ignored. Harper is not popular nor is he a particularly strong PM (he appears so in light of the weak opposition) Mulchair is crazy and potentially dangerous. Trudeau with a decent platform will be a Godsend to middle of the road Canadians tired of Harper and the secretive CPC and leery of Mulchair and his radical left.

Amen to that, brother.

[saturn_656]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Not so sure about that. If he ups his game over the next few months and the Liberals actually put a decent policy platform together then I think they stand a good chance.

I'm rather surprised in all of the typical tut-tutting that goes on here when Trudeau's name or the Liberal Party of Canada is said that reality is being ignored. Harper is not popular nor is he a particularly strong PM (he appears so in light of the weak opposition) Mulchair is crazy and potentially dangerous. Trudeau with a decent platform will be a Godsend to middle of the road Canadians tired of Harper and the secretive CPC and leery of Mulchair and his radical left.

Amen to that, brother.

It's coming up with the "decent platform" that seems to be the biggest problem for the Liberals.

Hint: Running on higher taxes, "Green Shafts", advocating coalitions to trump election results, etc. are all obviously terrible ideas.

[Zipperfish]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

It's coming up with the "decent platform" that seems to be the biggest problem for the Liberals.

Hint: Running on higher taxes, "Green Shafts", advocating coalitions to trump election results, etc. are all obviously terrible ideas.

Well, I don't think they were counting on your vote anyways.

[saturn_656]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, I don't think they were counting on your vote anyways.

It's that line of thinking that has left the Liberals languishing in third party status.

Why shouldn't they try for my vote?

If they want to win, they need to have a platform that will appeal to Canadians across the country, not simply pander to SIG's and ignore the rest of us.

[EyeBrock]

I think Justin looks shinier than he actually is and that will be his Achilles heel. His lack of substance will gradually be exposed. I hope I'm wrong but my gut feeling has proven to be pretty spot on in the past.

We just don't seem to have the full package around, as in a real leader with charisma which is a great pity.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think Justin looks shinier than he actually is and that will be his Achilles heel. His lack of substance will gradually be exposed. I hope I'm wrong but my gut feeling has proven to be pretty spot on in the past.

We just don't seem to have the full package around, as in a real leader with charisma which is a great pity.

Again, the lack of substance is not limited to Trudeau, yet he takes the lion's share of the grief from it. Harper and Mulchair aren't out there dazzling the general public with their leadership skills and grand political acumen and frankly, they're not even shiny.

[OnTheIce]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think Justin looks shinier than he actually is and that will be his Achilles heel. His lack of substance will gradually be exposed. I hope I'm wrong but my gut feeling has proven to be pretty spot on in the past.

We just don't seem to have the full package around, as in a real leader with charisma which is a great pity.

Substance doesn't matter.

Charisma, being "pretty" and being likeable to the public are what matters most. I hope I'm wrong as well.

[Thanos]

Charismatics rea dangerous anyway. We don't need them. Give me the boring middle-manager who keeps things from blowing up instead of the wingnut crusaders who wreck everything any day of the week.

[Gunnair]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Not so sure about that. If he ups his game over the next few months and the Liberals actually put a decent policy platform together then I think they stand a good chance.

I'm rather surprised in all of the typical tut-tutting that goes on here when Trudeau's name or the Liberal Party of Canada is said that reality is being ignored. Harper is not popular nor is he a particularly strong PM (he appears so in light of the weak opposition) Mulchair is crazy and potentially dangerous. Trudeau with a decent platform will be a Godsend to middle of the road Canadians tired of Harper and the secretive CPC and leery of Mulchair and his radical left.

Amen to that, brother.

It's coming up with the "decent platform" that seems to be the biggest problem for the Liberals.

Hint: Running on higher taxes, "Green Shafts", advocating coalitions to trump election results, etc. are all obviously terrible ideas.

Agreed though remember that those were policies delivered by less than stellar leaders. One can wonder how they would have flown if delivered by someone with an actual personality.

[EyeBrock]

Gunnair Gunnair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think Justin looks shinier than he actually is and that will be his Achilles heel. His lack of substance will gradually be exposed. I hope I'm wrong but my gut feeling has proven to be pretty spot on in the past.

We just don't seem to have the full package around, as in a real leader with charisma which is a great pity.

Again, the lack of substance is not limited to Trudeau, yet he takes the lion's share of the grief from it. Harper and Mulchair aren't out there dazzling the general public with their leadership skills and grand political acumen and frankly, they're not even shiny.

I put Harper in the good-leader/iffy-charisma category. Mulclair is all fur coat and no knickers.

[EyeBrock]

Thanos Thanos:

Charismatics rea dangerous anyway. We don't need them. Give me the boring middle-manager who keeps things from blowing up instead of the wingnut crusaders who wreck everything any day of the week.

I totally agree Thanos. That's why grumpy old Harper is probably the best leader in the Federal system at this moment in time.

I think all of us have worked with/for the bright shining stars who turned out to know fuck-all and ran the unit into the ground.

I reserve my judgement on 'leaders' in my own environment until I've seen what they are like when the shit hits the fan in a big way.

The real leaders can manage a crisis and rally the team, the superstars usually fuck it up and get people hurt.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Thanos Thanos:

Charismatics rea dangerous anyway. We don't need them. Give me the boring middle-manager who keeps things from blowing up instead of the wingnut crusaders who wreck everything any day of the week.

I totally agree Thanos. That's why grumpy old Harper is probably the best leader in the Federal system at this moment in time.

I think all of us have worked with/for the bright shining stars who turned out to know fuck-all and ran the unit into the ground.

I reserve my judgement on 'leaders' in my own environment until I've seen what they are like when the shit hits the fan in a big way.

The real leaders can manage a crisis and rally the team, the superstars usually fuck it up and get people hurt.

I'm not sure Harper did a lot of team rallying during the financial crisis. He was mostly fortunate that the shitty hand he was dealt had at least one ace in the solid banking sector.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Gunnair Gunnair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think Justin looks shinier than he actually is and that will be his Achilles heel. His lack of substance will gradually be exposed. I hope I'm wrong but my gut feeling has proven to be pretty spot on in the past.

We just don't seem to have the full package around, as in a real leader with charisma which is a great pity.

Again, the lack of substance is not limited to Trudeau, yet he takes the lion's share of the grief from it. Harper and Mulchair aren't out there dazzling the general public with their leadership skills and grand political acumen and frankly, they're not even shiny.

I put Harper in the good-leader/iffy-charisma category. Mulclair is all fur coat and no knickers.

Hmmm...it appears you and I have very different opinions on what constitutes good leadership.

[2Cdo]

Gunnair Gunnair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I put Harper in the good-leader/iffy-charisma category. Mulclair is all fur coat and no knickers.

Hmmm...it appears you and I have very different opinions on what constitutes good leadership.

I agree with EB, Harper is the best LEADER we've had in years.

[Zipperfish]

I always thought of Harper as a good manager, as opposed to a good leader. I didn't use to mind him as much--I actually have a soft spot for politicians who get down to business and avoid the limelight. He's not afraid to make tough choices, and I think that is resulting in some good things happening, and things changing that needed to be changed. I'd vote CPC before the federal NDP with Mulcair at teh helm (though I quite liked Jack Layton).

What I'm hoping for is a viable alternative with the Liberals by the next election.