[gonavy47]

If they are appointed by the liberals, they ARE affiliated!

[DerbyX]

Examine the data for yourself. It clearly states what affiliation the senators have.

[gonavy47]

I see the results! That's all the data I need. Thanks anyway.

[DerbyX]

What you mean to say is:

Anything the Libs do = bad.
Anything the Cons do = good.

[ridenrain]

Yeah.. because it's those Tories that refuse to vote for anyone else..
More red kool-aid for my friend here.

[DerbyX]

You are the guy voting against a guy you adore and think is the right guy based on party affiliations.

We both know you'd be screaming about how soft the Libs were on crime had Iggy and the senate rejected the bill outright. In fact you already were doing that.

Its too bad they won't let your precious Cons have a justice system like those other countries you admire so much, like China and Iran. Then we'd all be much safer.

[gonavy47]

DerbyX DerbyX:

You are the guy voting against a guy you adore and think is the right guy based on party affiliations.

We both know you'd be screaming about how soft the Libs were on crime had Iggy and the senate rejected the bill outright. In fact you already were doing that.

Its too bad they won't let your precious Cons have a justice system like those other countries you admire so much, like China and Iran. Then we'd all be much safer.

I don't admire China or Iran, Their complete lack of human rights is horrendous. I do however, think that this country bends over backwards(or just bends over), to ensure that the criminal's rights are not violated. The victim's rights? Well that's just too damn bad. They must have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. 25 years maximum for taking someone's life? Ridiculous! Out in 10? Now that's criminal. Our justice system is a joke and needs to be overhauled, starting with the judges. The bad guys don't have any respect for the law because the penalties are so lax. Time to change that. I hope you don't think that our justice system is adequate, it's not.

[ridenrain]

You really have problems descriminating between socialist countries and western democracies.
Iggy is big on humanitarian rights and his support for America and George Bush is very well documented. It's sad that the party he's hitched his wagon to is against all that.

I guess he just isn't left enough for you folks.

[DerbyX]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

I don't admire China or Iran, Their complete lack of human rights is horrendous. I do however, think that this country bends over backwards(or just bends over), to ensure that the criminal's rights are not violated. The victim's rights? Well that's just too damn bad. They must have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. 25 years maximum for taking someone's life? Ridiculous! Out in 10? Now that's criminal. Our justice system is a joke and needs to be overhauled, starting with the judges. The bad guys don't have any respect for the law because the penalties are so lax. Time to change that. I hope you don't think that our justice system is adequate, it's not.

Well, I'm not talking about you though. The fact is that a lot of people think our justice system (like our healthcare) is in shambles but the truth is it works really well. We live in a peaceful and law abiding society. We aren't being over run with crime or criminals despite all the claims that a lax penal system leads to that very thing.

The same arguments are made the world over. They said the same thing in Australia when I lived there and in the UK. Hell the UK seems tio be in the news a lot for bone head judge decisions. The bottom line should be will these make our society better or will they just raise our taxes.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

You really have problems descriminating between socialist countries and western democracies.
Iggy is big on humanitarian rights and his support for America and George Bush is very well documented. It's sad that the party he's hitched his wagon to is against all that.

I guess he just isn't left enough for you folks.

Yet that party has produced a peaceful and law abiding country.

[gonavy47]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

You really have problems descriminating between socialist countries and western democracies.
Iggy is big on humanitarian rights and his support for America and George Bush is very well documented. It's sad that the party he's hitched his wagon to is against all that.

I guess he just isn't left enough for you folks.

Yet that party has produced a peaceful and law abiding country.

Tell that to your local Hell's Angels chapter, or to the major drug dealers in B.C., or to the parents of the 11 year old kid killed in Montreal's drug war. Or to the ever-emerging radical aboriginals who re-occupy lands that they gave up in treaties. Wake up! Take off your liberal rose-coloured glasses and look around. Our justice system is no deterrent to violent crime and it is escalating.

[DerbyX]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

Tell that to your local Hell's Angels chapter, or to the major drug dealers in B.C., or to the parents of the 11 year old kid killed in Montreal's drug war. Or to the ever-emerging radical aboriginals who re-occupy lands that they gave up in treaties. Wake up! Take off your liberal rose-coloured glasses and look around. Our justice system is no deterrent to violent crime and it is escalating.

The US has a far harsher system and they have worse crime. You just seem to want to blame the Liberals and proceed under the assumption that a good ole Conservative justice system will fix it.

Think crime won't happen under Harpers "reforms"?

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

gonavy47 gonavy47:

Tell that to your local Hell's Angels chapter, or to the major drug dealers in B.C., or to the parents of the 11 year old kid killed in Montreal's drug war. Or to the ever-emerging radical aboriginals who re-occupy lands that they gave up in treaties. Wake up! Take off your liberal rose-coloured glasses and look around. Our justice system is no deterrent to violent crime and it is escalating.

The US has a far harsher system and they have worse crime. You just seem to want to blame the Liberals and proceed under the assumption that a good ole Conservative justice system will fix it.

Think crime won't happen under Harpers "reforms"?

Of course crime will still happen but maybe we can start doing something that benefits victims rights as opposed to always worrying about criminals rights.

[DerbyX]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Of course crime will still happen but maybe we can start doing something that benefits victims rights as opposed to always worrying about criminals rights.

Well I agree about focusing on victims rights but neither of these bills nor any that seem to be proposed by Conservatives focus on the victims of crimes but on the criminals.

You know the score. Every time some murder or shooting happens then the usual suspects show up and bemoan "the Liberal justice system" as if we would not have this problem if only we had more conservative judges and laws. I've posted before about the failures of the US prison cultures failure to effectively deal with crime. We don't need that here especially since all it will do is raise taxes or take money away from other things.

On the drug issue, mandatory and minimum sentences mean squat. Every one put in jail is quickly replaced by another waiting in the wings with no actual affect on crime or drug reduction. We would have better luck just granting immunity to drug dealers so long as they keep the related crime down.

Canada isn't a lawless society and our crime isn't anywhere near the epic levels that some people think it is.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... ystem.html

[ridenrain]

Come on.. Gun Crime:

Liberal solution: Gun registry.

Conservative solution: Manditory criminal jail terms... and even still, the Liberals dragged their feet.