[andyt]

Sort of like the gun administrators do?

[ASLplease]

andyt andyt:

Sort of like the gun administrators do?

thats a good point, canada already had a ton of regulations for firearms before the registry was created. Some advocates for the registry often argue for the registry from an all gun control or no gun control point of view. The fact is, when the registry is scrapped, many other laws and controls will continue to be in affect.

[andyt]

ASLplease ASLplease:

andyt andyt:

Sort of like the gun administrators do?

thats a good point, canada already had a ton of regulations for firearms before the registry was created. Some advocates for the registry often argue for an all or nothing point of view. The fact is, when the registry is scrapped, many other laws and controls will continue to be in affect.

Thank God for that.

If it was known beforehand that that registry would cost as much as it did, I would not have supported it. But now the money's been spent, it seems stupid to give it up. I don't see how it harms legit gun owners.

[ASLplease]

andyt andyt:

I don't see how it harms legit gun owners.

thats a valid question to ask, if you believe in arbitrarily changing freedoms/privelidge as long as there isnt any harm done.

I believe that freedoms/priviledge should be left alone unless there is a darned good reason to change them. I believe that the Charter definition for 'freedom' and 'liberty' are very broad, and need to stay as broad as we can possibly make them. Sure, no freedom or liberty is absolute, we have tons of limitations and restricts. But I dont have a problem limitations and restrictions, so long as the onus is on the anti-gun lobby to justify them, not the other way around.

I guess our reference points on this issue are different. No wonder we cant agree on things.

[andyt]

I agree with not restricting freedoms for no good reason. Guns are serious business tho, and I think some good arguments have been put forth why to register them. It's just that the benefits of registration don't seem to ride to the level of what is it 2 billion? If it could clearly be demonstrated that registering guns saves lives the cost would be worth it. IT's worth keeping the registry at least for a while, to see of that data can be determined.

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

If it was known beforehand that that registry would cost as much as it did, I would not have supported it. But now the money's been spent, it seems stupid to give it up. I don't see how it harms legit gun owners.

That's exactly my line of thinking. We've already spent $2 billion on it, and with annual costs of about $4 million, it's totally stupid to get rid of it.

[ASLplease]

bootlegga bootlegga:

andyt andyt:

If it was known beforehand that that registry would cost as much as it did, I would not have supported it. But now the money's been spent, it seems stupid to give it up. I don't see how it harms legit gun owners.

That's exactly my line of thinking. We've already spent $2 billion on it, and with annual costs of about $4 million, it's totally stupid to get rid of it.

Bill C-68 was alreaddy passed, it a new bill being reviewed

[andyt]

I would support getting rid of the registry if the tradeoff was tougher gun legislation. Anybody caught with an illegal gun should spend serious jail time, and we should stiffen up regulations and punishments for improper storage of legal weapons.

[ASLplease]

andyt andyt:

I would support getting rid of the registry if the tradeoff was tougher gun legislation. Anybody caught with an illegal gun should spend serious jail time, and we should stiffen up regulations and punishments for improper storage of legal weapons.

If i read this the way i think you intended, then i agree 100%.

but pls keep in mind that anyone that is refusing to comply to the registry would get very resistant to this idea if they see your post as a loaded post, ie their unregistered firearm is an illegal gun. they are caught in the middle of this debate are bound to get nervious and objectionable to the idea that they should spend serious jail time.

[bootlegga]

Uh-oh, now the RCMP are supporting the gun registry...

$1:

One section of the report states: "The program, as a whole, is an important tool for law enforcement. It also serves to increase accountability of firearm owners for their firearms."

The report found that the cost of the program is in the range of $1.1 million to $3.6 million per year and that the Canadian Firearms Program is operating efficiently.

“Overall the program is cost effective in reducing firearms related crime and promoting public safety through universal licensing of firearm owners and registration of firearms," the report states.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/08/ ... -rcmp.html

[ASLplease]

the Saskatchewan Police association is the only association to poll 100% of their membership on this matter, and appearantly the result were astounding, 99% against the gun registry.

[bootlegga]

Got a link?

[ASLplease]

I couldnn't find a link to the study on the sask federation website, but herre's the presiden addressing parliment, and he's making reference to the study

$1:

To say the police community is divided on support for the long-gun registry is an
understatement. The committee has heard from Mr. Charles Momy, president of the
Canadian Police Association, who claimed that he represents the opinion of 41,000 police
officers in Canada. The CPA endorses the continuation of the registry, yet in truth, they
adopt this position without ever having formally polled their membership.

The CPA‟s position is not that of the Saskatchewan Federation of Police Officers, nor
that of the Saskatoon Police Association. The Saskatchewan Federation is the only
provincial federation or association that has polled its entire membership on the issue of
the registration of firearms. When polled, the Saskatoon Police Association was 99.46%
against a long-gun registry

[andyt]

ASLplease ASLplease:

andyt andyt:

I would support getting rid of the registry if the tradeoff was tougher gun legislation. Anybody caught with an illegal gun should spend serious jail time, and we should stiffen up regulations and punishments for improper storage of legal weapons.

If i read this the way i think you intended, then i agree 100%.

but pls keep in mind that anyone that is refusing to comply to the registry would get very resistant to this idea if they see your post as a loaded post, ie their unregistered firearm is an illegal gun. they are caught in the middle of this debate are bound to get nervious and objectionable to the idea that they should spend serious jail time.

No, as I said, in trade off for getting rid of the gun registry. So if their gun is legally owned, whatever that entails with no registry, then the only onus on them is to keep it safely stored.

[ASLplease]

cool, I ok with all of the newer safety related regulations like trigger locks and training courses. I've complied to them before they were manditory.