[BartSimpson]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I think more importantly is to consider whether "stuff" is worth a human life, even if it's a low-life

Correctly, low-life thugs should consider if their life is worth risking in order to succeed at their criminal endeavour.

I live in liberal California and the gate to my yard has a deadbolt on it. That's for the legal reason that with the deadbolt my yard becomes a space where I have a reasonable expectation that no reasonable person can enter it uninvited. Meaning it is then the same as my house and if I catch you in my yard without permission you will shortly be there with perforation.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I am deeply disturbed by the number of people that think murder or aggravated assault is a lesser crime than theft.

It isn't. At the same time, I'm deeply sick and tired of people who think that criminals have rights that are superior to the people they prey upon.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Shooting someone stealing stuff outside of your house just because you're too lazy or stupid to make sure it's locked up and/or secured is ridiculous.
Shooting home invaders on the other hand should not only be legal in Canada, it should be encouraged!

1. I should not have to lock up my stuff, my door, or whatever. No one has a right to my property and if they'd respect that at the start we'd not worry about this topic.

2. Why I need to wait for someone to invade my home before I can deal with them is irrational when the President (or in your case, the PM) would never live by that same standard. I guarandamntee you that if you try to break into 24 Sussex you will be shot dead long before you're any threat to Mr. Harper. That said, if he can exercise that level of authority over his property, so should you not be barred from protectiong you and yours the same way.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Yogi Yogi:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Which is why I said that once they are IN your house, it should be encouraged to shoot them. This is always something I've been very clear about. If someone is on your property outside of your house, shooting them should not be the first resort. But, if someone is IN your house, then they are fair game.

And EVERYONE who has EVER been in my home(s), invited or not, were 'outside before they came inside'!
I prefer to think of my methods as 'preventative maintenance'!

Then it's no longer self-defence and you have crossed the line into assault or worse, with a firearm.
Do you honestly believe that you could live the rest of your life all nice and normal after killing someone over say, an ATV?
Once you kill someone, you can never go back and be the person you were.
Many people that deserve death, live still. Many people that deserve life are dead.
Since you cannot give life, you shouldn't be so hasty to take it either.
Don't forget, that lowlife may have family that are decent people. Not all lowlifes are products of bad homes.
How would you feel if your son got mixed up with the wrong crowd, did something stupid, and you got a phone call telling you he was shot and killed simply for trying to steal someone's ATV?

[dino_bobba_renno]

Does anyone remember a few years back when there was a helicopter pilot who basically kidnapped and hung the perp who stole his ATV out the side of his chopper until he fessed up on where he hid it? I can't seem to find anything about it on the web. I think it happened out by Whitecourt AB.

[Yogi]

How would I feel? That goes without saying! If my kid, or anyone elses values their life on the 'sliding scale' of used ATV, then they don't have much for values anyway. Nor do they value anyone elses life to be greater!

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Which is why I said that once they are IN your house, it should be encouraged to shoot them. This is always something I've been very clear about. If someone is on your property outside of your house, shooting them should not be the first resort. But, if someone is IN your house, then they are fair game.

What is the difference between; 'in your house', 'in your garage', 'in your barn', 'in your yard' if they are uninvited and stealing your stuff?

Unless you keep your family in the garage, barn, etc, there's a BIG difference.
Y'all are advocating murder as reasonable force to prevent theft of stuff?
Let's see, someone is trying to steal my lawn tractor.. I know!! I'll kill them. That seems pretty reasonable since it's my STUFF after all.

Why "in your home " is different is because that's where the family lives.
At that point, are they there just to steal stuff, or are they there to do worse?
Inside your home you have an obligation to defend your family using whatever means necessary.
The lawn tractor in the garage doesn't count as family. Try claiming it as a dependent on your T1 and you'll see what I mean.

I'm somewhat confused though as to why you think that because I'm against out-right killing someone over stuff means I think you should just let them steal it.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Yogi Yogi:

How would I feel? That goes without saying! If my kid, or anyone elses values their life on the 'sliding scale' of used ATV, then they don't have much for values anyway. Nor do they value anyone elses life to be greater!

Somehow, I have grave doubts that would be your actual reaction to the news.

[Yogi]

People in general are just simply tired of 'the rules' that this 'game' are played by. There is only one rule, and that is 'the thiefs rule' which is " go where ever I want to. Steal whatever I want to steal, using whatever means I want to use, even if that requires serious injury or death to anyone who should be foolish enough to try to stop me from getting whatever I want, because the law is on my side if someone should injure or, God forbid, kill me whilst trying to protect THEIR property'! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Yogi]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Does anyone remember a few years back when there was a helicopter pilot who basically kidnapped and hung the perp who stole his ATV out the side of his chopper until he fessed up on where he hid it? I can't seem to find anything about it on the web. I think it happened out by Whitecourt AB.

I recall that one really well, because my SiL was an apprentice helicopter mechanic for the Eric (Airborn Helicopters)at the time. In fact, I'm proud to say that I shook the man's hand, told him how much I admired him for what he did. We had a good laugh over it. I still have the company ball cap he gave me! I'll find a link to the story in a bit.

[BartSimpson]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Do you honestly believe that you could live the rest of your life all nice and normal after killing someone over say, an ATV?

In my experience if you have any issues after the first time you kill someone it gets better after you kill a couple more. Therefore, my advice to anyone with issues of guilt over offing a criminal is to enlist and kill vermin for a living.

See, it gets easier.

While I do vividly remember the first time I shot somoene I'll be honest and tell you that I'd have to go look up #26 (for instance) to refresh my memory.

[DrCaleb]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Which is why I said that once they are IN your house, it should be encouraged to shoot them. This is always something I've been very clear about. If someone is on your property outside of your house, shooting them should not be the first resort. But, if someone is IN your house, then they are fair game.

What is the difference between; 'in your house', 'in your garage', 'in your barn', 'in your yard' if they are uninvited and stealing your stuff?

Unless you keep your family in the garage, barn, etc, there's a BIG difference.
Y'all are advocating murder as reasonable force to prevent theft of stuff?
Let's see, someone is trying to steal my lawn tractor.. I know!! I'll kill them. That seems pretty reasonable since it's my STUFF after all.

Why "in your home " is different is because that's where the family lives.
At that point, are they there just to steal stuff, or are they there to do worse?
Inside your home you have an obligation to defend your family using whatever means necessary.
The lawn tractor in the garage doesn't count as family. Try claiming it as a dependent on your T1 and you'll see what I mean.

I ask, because I believe legally there is no difference between those locations when it comes to home defence. Your family may be in any of those locations, and all locations are equally likely to have your family in them.

And I've never advocated killing anyone.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I'm somewhat confused though as to why you think that because I'm against out-right killing someone over stuff means I think you should just let them steal it.

Shotgun. No choke. Rock salt for the first 2 rounds. I'm that guy.

Why would you confront unknown trespassers any other way? I'll shine a flashlight on them, call out to them, then let that wonderful 'Clack . . .clack' do the talking.

[BartSimpson]

True. Racking a round on a shotgun is a very effective deterrent to criminals.

But be careful lest some pantywaisted criminal coddler get upset with you for unnecessarily causing a brigand to soil himself.

[jason700]

I agree with the officer in the video... get to a safe place and call 911. Run out with a gun and you could be the one who ends up getting shot. Are YOU ready to lose your life over stuff?

The law is NOT on the side of criminals because if you shoot and kill someone for simply being on your property, you're also a criminal and should be charged.

[Benn]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

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I think more importantly is to consider whether "stuff" is worth a human life, even if it's a low-life
I am deeply disturbed by the number of people that think murder or aggravated assault is a lesser crime than theft.
Shooting someone stealing stuff outside of your house just because you're too lazy or stupid to make sure it's locked up and/or secured is ridiculous.
Shooting home invaders on the other hand should not only be legal in Canada, it should be encouraged!

Exactly

Besides I said don't kill him if he is no threat to ones life, never said just let him walk off with impunity. And yes, he breaks in and threatens my family (does not have to be verbally even) and it's on like Donkey Kong!

[Benn]

Yogi Yogi:

And EVERYONE who has EVER been in my home(s), invited or not, were 'outside before they came inside'!
I prefer to think of my methods as 'preventative maintenance'!

And you think if they know what you might do they will just stop robbing houses? Why? Because B&Es are lower per capital in the USA where you can shoot them with howitzers? Ummm...it's not lower. The perps just show up with their own guns and shoot you first.

[Benn]

Yogi Yogi:

People in general are just simply tired of 'the rules' that this 'game' are played by. There is only one rule, and that is 'the thiefs rule' which is " go where ever I want to. Steal whatever I want to steal, using whatever means I want to use, even if that requires serious injury or death to anyone who should be foolish enough to try to stop me from getting whatever I want, because . the law is on my side if someone should injure or, God forbid, kill me whilst trying to protect THEIR property'! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Was there something in this article that said the perp threatened to kill anyone when he was caught? If he did then sure, force in kind is due, but this thread is about this article and I never read he threatened anyone with death. He was caught stealing and property shot.

I've never said the perp should get better treatment or more rights than the victim but the punishment of death or attempted death does not fit the crime here.