[Thanos]

I'm not too interested in your anti-police confirmation bias threads. I notice none of you who post there ever seem to be in too much of a hurry to post when a news report states a civilian review board exonerates an officer. If it's all part of the ongoing game then fine, that's your playground to run the way you want it run. Just don't make it like a 30 or 40 second out of context clip is the end-all-be-all in terms of these incidents. The full recordings that usually reveal what happened before and after the most dramatic moment occurs are typically edited out and ignored altogether.

[DrCaleb]

You mistake my belief that police are also subject to the same laws as the rest of us for an anti-police bias. They are not the same thing. And you'll note it was Bart who started the US version of that thread, because of his experience carrying a badge and seeing exactly what bullies with badges get away with.

And we do post when courts find police not guilty, which is exactly what I posted about the Calgary city cop who was found not guilty for bouncing the heads of handcuffed suspects off floors in full view od a camera. Not guilty is not the same as innocent, it only means there was a reasonable doubt. Much like you protest our 'catch and release' legal system, well it works both ways.

[Thanos]

Actually if you retaliated in the heat of the moment after someone just spat in your face or elbowed you in the head, just like happens all the time to the police & guards in these jailhouse videos, you probably wouldn't get charged at all. And if you were charged the worst you'd face would be a fine and a temporary blot on your record that would be cleared either by good behaviour on your part or basically rubber-stamped if you requested a pardon.

In terms of the arrestees it really stretches the imagination to assume they're some kind of victim in most of these incidents. They were arrested for a reason and they got slapped down for a reason, usually entirely because of their own violent behaviour while refusing to obey instructions. That's what bothers me the most about these stories. It assumes automatically that the police are operating from a place of malice towards some sort of properly behaving innocent civilian. When it gets all said and done with it almost always ends up that the arrestee deliberately triggered the incident, took the first shot, and then got spanked hard & found out the hard way that they definitely weren't anywhere near as tough as they thought they were.

Gotta lose the mentality that the cops dealing with these cretins is like some sort of teacher dealing with a roomful of spastic children. They aren't children, they're typically truly shitty people, trash with a violent streak who did something really crappy to someone else that justified their detainment to begin with. Fuck, even Canada's gutless clownshoes justice system finds them guilty the vast majority of the time. The jails and prisons aren't full of the innocent or not guilty. They're full of genuine anti-social borderline personality assholes who deserved a hell of a lot of a worse response for the things they've done to other actual innocent people than getting punched by a cop.

[DrCaleb]

Actually, if you ever put your bias aside and watched any of the videos, you'd see a lot of them are not retaliation. It's the cop asserting his authoritah. How could a woman who is handcuffed and face down on the floor even elbow someone? How can a guy walking down the street do anything to a cop before he gets slammed by an open truck door? What does a guy do that deserves having he neck knelt on for 9 minutes? That's why cops get fired and charged.

You don't have to use your imagination, just watch the videos. The things bodycams catch make most people wonder what the cops were getting away with in the days of Rodney King and 'Straight outta Compton'. I don't for a second think police are acting out of malice, but I think a few of them are bullies and the others supposed good ones cover up those incidents out of some sort of messed up 'esprit de corp'. That is how they choose to 'Protect and Serve'.

All you have to do is watch the video footage of a cop stopping a blind guy for having a cane folded in his back pocket, and the encounter escalating to a beat down to know that the police have been trained in the art of escalation and have it down to a science.

Or this wonderful encounter:
us-politics-f18/usa-police-misconduct-reports-t109913-2295.html#p2426769

Watch it, don't watch it. All you can do is become informed. You should even look at some of the video about the Calgary Police Service. Lots of cowboys there.

[Thanos]

I wish you could have had the experiences I went through when I was young with the brutal side of society. Then maybe you in turn would understand why I am utterly pitiless towards these kinds of people, and why I regard the elevation of their "right" to some sort of lifelong rampage over others to be nothing but a colossal social failure and an outright national tragedy.

Guess this is another one of those things where if you never went through it, or saw someone else you cared about go through it, you just can't figure it out. And then proceed to make some unreachable utopian ideal something that everyone else has to strive for on behalf of the sainted miscreants.

[DrCaleb]

I wish you could have had the experiences I did, where a bully with a badge made it his mission in life to make the lives of me and several other people miserable. Complaints fell on the deaf ears of the thin blue line. No, I take that back. I wish no one has the experience I did.

There is nothing more fun than being pulled over every day or two for a 'safety inspection', and getting tickets for random things, like not having a fire extinguisher. Knocks on the door during family dinner asking if I had anything to do with or saw anything suspicious regarding random events around town. Always by the book, and always an unnecessary dick move. I feel for your experience, but that only strengthens my resolve that we all need to be nicer toward each other.

All I ask is that cops operate by the same laws as the rest of us.

[Strutz]

Thanos Thanos:

Just don't make it like a 30 or 40 second out of context clip is the end-all-be-all in terms of these incidents. The full recordings that usually reveal what happened before and after the most dramatic moment occurs are typically edited out and ignored altogether.

This applies to other incidences that make "front page news". There are always details that get omitted or edited in order to make the story more dramatic and one-sided to the public who are blood-thirsty for dramatics and don't acknowledge that there is another side to the story they are not hearing/seeing. I know this first-hand.

[Tricks]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

This all started when they said Pluto wasn't a planet anymore.

Pluto needs to man up if he wants to be with the big boys.

[DrCaleb]

Earth's Moon thinks Pluto should go to the gym a little more.