[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I have no issue with camping user fees, it seems to help keeping the worst of the idiots away from their all-night drinking binges and radio playing.

Unfortunately, most can still afford to come to the woods in order to set up a "patio away from home" to sit and drink and carouse all night.

And they should be kicked out, pronto. But we should find a way that low income families can afford to go camping.

In Manitoba there is a liquor ban every long weekend at our parks. The NDP government has waived the park entrance fee for 3 years in a row. Our campsite was $11.55 per night. I think the hardest part for low income families here is probably the travel. Apparently there used to be a train that took people from Winnipeg to Winnipeg Beach. But I don't know how anyone gets to the parks without a vehicle and gas money.

Winnipeg Beach: Leisure and Courtship in a Resort Town, 1900-1967

Thats back when Winnipeg was the 3rd largest city in Canada though.

[andyt]

Curtman Curtman:

andyt andyt:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I have no issue with camping user fees, it seems to help keeping the worst of the idiots away from their all-night drinking binges and radio playing.

Unfortunately, most can still afford to come to the woods in order to set up a "patio away from home" to sit and drink and carouse all night.

And they should be kicked out, pronto. But we should find a way that low income families can afford to go camping.

In Manitoba there is a liquor ban every long weekend at our parks. The NDP government has waived the park entrance fee for 3 years in a row. Our campsite was $11.55 per night. I think the hardest part for low income families here is probably the travel. Apparently there used to be a train that took people from Winnipeg to Winnipeg Beach. But I don't know how anyone gets to the parks without a vehicle and gas money.

They should have camps just for low income people to go to that include transport and accommodation. It would do them good. But, of course, with mom and dad working different shifts so they don't have to do childcare, and multiple jobs, they probably don't have much vacation time. I know they have camps like that for kids, but it would be good to have the parents there too.

But then I don't think Asians are big on camping anyway, and if they do take holidays it's to go back to the old country.

[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

They should have camps just for low income people to go to that include transport and accommodation. It would do them good. But, of course, with mom and dad working different shifts so they don't have to do childcare, and multiple jobs, they probably don't have much vacation time. I know they have camps like that for kids, but it would be good to have the parents there too.

But then I don't think Asians are big on camping anyway, and if they do take holidays it's to go back to the old country.

I'm okay with low-income families in our "regular" parks.

How are Asians related to this topic, they're low income? There was a family from China camping next to us, they seemed to be enjoying themselves.

[andyt]

I'm not saying I want to exclude low income families. Just make it possible for them to get to the outdoors, however that works.

Asians are our primary immigrant source. Take a look around you (at least in Vancouver) who's doing all the low pay jobs.

And one example doesn't show the trend. Go to MEC and see what color the customers are - it's whitebread city. You could forget you're in Vancouver when you're in there.

[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

I'm not saying I want to exclude low income families. Just make it possible for them to get to the outdoors, however that works.

Asians are our primary immigrant source. Take a look around you (at least in Vancouver) who's doing all the low pay jobs.

And one example doesn't show the trend. Go to MEC and see what color the customers are - it's whitebread city. You could forget you're in Vancouver when you're in there.

I don't know how things are in Vancouver, but here immigration is fueling our housing market. Low income here tends to be the families that move here from reserves up north with nothing. I don't think they have any need for camping adventures, they moved here from a campsite.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

And they should be kicked out, pronto. But we should find a way that low income families can afford to go camping.

You're such a pathetic troll.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

andyt andyt:

They should have camps just for low income people to go to that include transport and accommodation. It would do them good. But, of course, with mom and dad working different shifts so they don't have to do childcare, and multiple jobs, they probably don't have much vacation time. I know they have camps like that for kids, but it would be good to have the parents there too.

But then I don't think Asians are big on camping anyway, and if they do take holidays it's to go back to the old country.

I'm okay with low-income families in our "regular" parks.

How are Asians related to this topic, they're low income? There was a family from China camping next to us, they seemed to be enjoying themselves.

Andy is a closet bigot. He'll come out at some point.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

They should have camps just for low income people to go to that include transport and accommodation.

Yeah. A great idea.

[PJB]

It is truly pathetic how many kids are missing out on so much outdoor fun because of things like Facebook and text messaging. What happened in the last 30 years. I remember going camping and being outside by the fire roasting marsh-mellows. Now it seems like the only glow on these kids faces is the glow of their blackberry or I-phone. There are no more campfire songs, only songs on MP3 players. There are no more campfire stories, just kids bitching on twitter or by text that "Mom and Dad dragged me out here and there is nothing to do".

The 'art' of conversation is dead and any outdoor activity is dying.

I pity the generation that comes after our kids because they will be one of the most connected, yet, lazy generations ever.

[Brenda]

$1:

What happened in the last 30 years.

That is EXACTLY what my parents said. And my grandparents. And THEIR parents... And what my children will say.

[ShepherdsDog]

I spent most of my childhood growing up in Victoria, where we had an abundance of parks and recreational facilities, before moving to RURAL Manitoba when I was 13. We lived outside a small hamlet of about a dozen families, and it was 10 miles to the nearest town. I was fortunate enough to have about 10 kids within a few years of my age living close by(rural standards). Five of them were also from suburban backgrounds(two brothers from Hamilton and three brothers from San Jose). We all learned to make the outdoors our new recreational facility. Three of us had horses, we all had bikes and everyone had an imagination. We built snow forts in the winter, hayforts in the lofts of barns and tree forts in the bush...without adult supervision.

We used to go camping on weekends, sometimes in the winter as well. We had no cell phones and we were miles away from anyone.....and yes, GASP, we had firearms with us. Some weekends, when we were older, but before we had access to a vehicle, we even rode our bikes(or rode horses) 10 miles into town to visit friends, or they'd do the opposite.

In the summer, some of us went to camp for a few weeks where we learned skills, went on hayrides, swam, canoed, sang songs, talked and read books. We did much the same wnen we went to the cabin for a few weeks too....although we had waterskiing and fishing for a bonus. God what a deprived life we lived before we could take TVs, computers, cell phones and video games with us when we were outside....how cruel to expect kids to use their imaginations to entertain themselves.

[PJB]

ShepherdsDog...Unfortunately kids nowadays have no imaginations. I was lucky that when my kids were younger they liked going for walks and playing outside, but, now they have discovered text messaging, etc. When we used to go outside and play guns they now play video games. When we went to camp, they now go on shopping trips with their friends. When we would go out to an available ball diamond to play 500 or scrub baseball, they complain that they are bored.

Kids can't build tree forts anymore because mommy and daddy are too scared that little Timmy might fall out of a tree.

Society's paranoia is sucking the life out of our kids. 'Better to stay home and go on the Internet than actually go outside. What a mess!

[Brenda]

$1:

Kids can't build tree forts anymore because mommy and daddy are too scared that little Timmy might fall out of a tree.

Kids can't climb in trees anymore because the by-law officer will fine the parents for "ruining a perfectly fine tree".
Just sayin.

[raydan]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Kids can't build tree forts anymore because mommy and daddy are too scared that little Timmy might fall out of a tree.

Kids can't climb in trees anymore because the by-law officer will fine the parents for "ruining a perfectly fine tree".
Just sayin.

Nope, the neighbors will call the police and you'll lose your kids because of child endangerment and they'll be placed in a foster home.

[bootlegga]

Newsbot Newsbot:

Title: More provincial parks offering Internet access
Category: Tech
Posted By: wildrosegirl
Date: 2011-08-13 07:34:11
Canadian

I'm more impressed that so many ban alcohol on the long weekends. The last two long weekends this summer Parks Canada banned alcohol in Banff - truly wonderful!

It's nice to camp with my little one without having people next to me drinking, yelling, and blasting their stereo all night long. Of course, my usual remedy to that is to fire up the chainsaw and chop wood at 7am!