[andyt]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

I hope we never get a display like that on this side of the Atlantic.
If the Moslems don't want to see this stuff leave the auditorium on their way to leaving the country.

We won't get a display like that this side of the Atlantic because nobody here has the cojones to even attempt to show a film like that. The cartoons were censored over here, as was South Park (both self censored and censored by the network - it's two, two censorships in one) and when Levant did print them he was taken to the Human Rights councils in several provinces. Over on this side of the Atlantic we'd be paying those Allahu Akbars reparations by now for their hurt feelings.

But we did have a similar display, with the same result - the Coulter affair. Just that the protesters weren't shouting Allahu Akbar, but some other nonsense.

(Too bad - I've always loved the sound of the muezzin calling people to prayer, and frequently employ the phrase Insha'Allah.)

[EyeBrock]

We are too chicken to even challenge radical Islam in this country.

What a bunch of scared sheep we have turned into.

[Bodah]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We are too chicken to even challenge radical Islam in this country.

What a bunch of scared sheep we have turned into.

At least Quebec isn't.

[EyeBrock]

True.

[andyt]

Bodah Bodah:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We are too chicken to even challenge radical Islam in this country.

What a bunch of scared sheep we have turned into.

At least Quebec isn't.

Big diff between banning the Burka, which most Muslims are against too, and publishing/showing stuff denigrating the Prophet. The HRC complaints against Levant and Steyn didn't succeed, but I don't see anybody even in Quebec eager to take on Mohammy.

[N_Fiddledog]

The mainstream media is pretty twitchy about showing Mohamed stuff, but that doesn't mean there's nobody in NA with balls. Ever heard of this new-fangled thing called the Internet?

Zombietime for example has an archive of Mohamed images.

http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

Here's my personal favorite section on modern cartoons.

http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_ar ... n_satires/

Want a sample?

[GreenTiger]

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[GreenTiger]

I like the cartoon I saw a few weeks ago showing Mohammed having a
booty call with a pig. That would get the muzzies irked a wee bit.

Mohammed is child rapist and a pig f*ucker, oh yes was a homosexual as
well? The only reason that should be a no-no is that that would
be an insult to gay people.

[ShepherdsDog]

Hmmmm.... so if you want all the poontang you can possibly handle and be able to do things forbidden to everyone else in your faith, and not have to worry about getting called on your hypocrisy. Wait a minute, he fucked his cousins and 9 yr. old girls. Geez, even L. Ron and Joseph Smith had more scruples, than this sack of shit.....small wonder that the early Jews and Christians rejected him for the charlatan he was.

Mo claimed Gabe revealed the message. You have to wonder if Lucy wasn't fucking with him, while Gabe was doing a gig at Callahan's Cross Time Saloon

[DerbyX]

Meanwhile in the land of tolerant and loving non-pedophile xtians (well non catholics anyway) we never ever see children in very sexual dance routines.

We are so much better then muslims because unlike them we don't make and sell lingerie for children because that would mean our society tolerates pedophilia.

Its not as if a specific state, say like Texas, actually specializes in beauty pageants designed to showcase very young girls in sexualized pageants.

Not us. Our society is way to moral for that and all the people crying about muslims would never ever tolerate that in our society.

Nope. Not a thing about our society that muslims could possibly find as offensive as the things we find about theirs. I wonder how many of the people attacking muslim pedophilia have bothered addressing our own? None I bet.

[Bacardi4206]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Meanwhile in the land of tolerant and loving non-pedophile xtians (well non catholics anyway) we never ever see children in very sexual dance routines.

We are so much better then muslims because unlike them we don't make and sell lingerie for children because that would mean our society tolerates pedophilia.

Its not as if a specific state, say like Texas, actually specializes in beauty pageants designed to showcase very young girls in sexualized pageants.

Not us. Our society is way to moral for that and all the people crying about muslims would never ever tolerate that in our society.

Nope. Not a thing about our society that muslims could possibly find as offensive as the things we find about theirs. I wonder how many of the people attacking muslim pedophilia have bothered addressing our own? None I bet.

Um... if you recall when that article about Miley Cyrus's Sister making thongs for girls. I bitched my ass off about that, as with the other shit that was posted. So I have addressed those, however those are companies trying to make more money and girls trying to act older and prettier under stress from society. The only thing pedofilia has in common with it is all the pedofiles love the fact the companies are doing this. However if you name me one non-pedofile that supports this. You got your case and point but I don't know of any. Last I checked however, beuty pagent for little girls is far different than allowing 40 years olds to marry and have sex with 9 year olds. Infact, those buety pagents are more or less girls version of sports. Girls play with dolls, Boys play with toy soldiers. Girls enter beuty pagents, boy enter sport teams. Not all of them, girls like to play sports and there some boys who like to enter beuty pagents. However that's the way it is and again has nothing to do with pedofilia. Unlike marrying 9 year olds and having sex with them while the entire nation you belong to supports it.

[commanderkai]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Meanwhile in the land of tolerant and loving non-pedophile xtians (well non catholics anyway) we never ever see children in very sexual dance routines.

We are so much better then muslims because unlike them we don't make and sell lingerie for children because that would mean our society tolerates pedophilia.

Its not as if a specific state, say like Texas, actually specializes in beauty pageants designed to showcase very young girls in sexualized pageants.

Not us. Our society is way to moral for that and all the people crying about muslims would never ever tolerate that in our society.

I might as well take the bait. One thing atheists love parading around over Christian religious issues is that our society is a secular one, and as such, Christian morality should not limit our education, cultural, or government. As such, things that Christians might find offensive, like the examples above, but also crucifixes drenched in urine, abortion, so on and so forth, should not be oppressed or forbidden.

Of course it is tolerated, because Christians, Jews, or other pious peoples have no real choice but to tolerate said things that go against their morality or faith. However, tolerance is not the same thing as acceptance. For example. Many members tolerate the views of others on this site (there are a few exceptions, of course), but tolerating said views does not mean that they accept such views as factual or correct.

There are exceptions, of course. Those who bomb abortion clinics because it goes against their religious beliefs, as one example. Those individuals who commit such actions are prosecuted by secular civic authorities, and more than likely marginalized by mainstream religious communities within the West.

$1:

Nope. Not a thing about our society that muslims could possibly find as offensive as the things we find about theirs. I wonder how many of the people attacking muslim pedophilia have bothered addressing our own? None I bet.

And how do we address our own? Lynch mobs? Vigilante justice? Stone a few pedophiles to death?

We, in the West, address criminal issues using the system in place. We report crimes to police officers, we elect politicians that we hope will toughen laws against sexual offenders, we attempt to flesh out ideas and options to figure out better solutions to figure out how to resolve crime.

Such is the wonder of a secular society. No doubt, if you want, we can go back to having the Bible as the source for our laws, and we could start punishing sins as crimes (as in, the way in a majority of Muslim states) or we can come to consensus to a solution, factoring in all views, no matter how extreme (ranging from executing pedophiles, to decriminalizing/legalizing of pedophilia).

[DerbyX]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Um... if you recall when that article about Miley Cyrus's Sister making thongs for girls. I bitched my ass off about that, as with the other shit that was posted. So I have addressed those, however those are companies trying to make more money and girls trying to act older and prettier under stress from society. The only thing pedofilia has in common with it is all the pedofiles love the fact the companies are doing this. However if you name me one non-pedofile that supports this. You got your case and point but I don't know of any. Last I checked however, beuty pagent for little girls is far different than allowing 40 years olds to marry and have sex with 9 year olds. Infact, those buety pagents are more or less girls version of sports. Girls play with dolls, Boys play with toy soldiers. Girls enter beuty pagents, boy enter sport teams. Not all of them, girls like to play sports and there some boys who like to enter beuty pagents. However that's the way it is and again has nothing to do with pedofilia. Unlike marrying 9 year olds and having sex with them while the entire nation you belong to supports it.

Well alcohol does affect the spelling. I know. However, your criticism is far off the mark. While you may personally have criticized the child lingerie and pageants our society at large accepts it.

A great many muslims do not accept child brides as it is a phenomenon confined to very tribal and uneducated regions kinda like backwater bush areas of the US coincidentally where country superstar Loretta Lynn grew up in and was married (and had sex BTW) by 13.

The truth is that our society has for almost its entire existence had "child brides" as a society standard because that was common place. Girls mature faster then boys and back then when they were fully capable of bearing young they were deemed of marrying age.

If you want to condemn muslims for supporting that then why don't we attack the slave owning fucking Americans? Long after their saviour jesus told slaves to accept being slaves they had them in spades. Sure some Americans "freed them" but it doesn't change the fact that they were among the last civilized nation on earth to dissolve slavery (aside from the racial tension that continued to plague them).

The main point is that what atrocities we see in their society is easily mirrored in our society. We think them immoral because of burkhas, or sharia (actually rare), or other religious stuff but they are perfectly able to view our society as equally immoral. In fact our own people often do just that.

BTW, the next time you think of what those awful muslims do I suggest you research the true reality of what the US has done, or more specifically the CIA sponsored stuff, to truly understand evil.

Even the historically verified evidence of what they did is beyond reprehension.

[DerbyX]

commanderkai commanderkai:

I might as well take the bait.

Wow. Your word of honour lasted all of what, a week? I guess I should feel pride.

commanderkai commanderkai:

One thing atheists love parading around over Christian religious issues is that our society is a secular one, and as such, Christian morality should not limit our education, cultural, or government. As such, things that Christians might find offensive, like the examples above, but also crucifixes drenched in urine, abortion, so on and so forth, should not be oppressed or forbidden.

Us Atheists are often blamed for what you xtians do. Consequently you will find that the parents of the Texas pedophile pageants are to a person xtian. Texas being noted for its Atheistic culture has somehow managed to look beyond that and sexualize children. I think you'll find that the vast majority of those responsible for child sex dance routines and child lingerie are in fact xtian. Nice try shifting the blame sunshine. Next you'll claim that Jews are responsible for unfair media attacks on the poor catholic church. Oh wait. Only muslims would do that right?

commanderkai commanderkai:

Of course it is tolerated, because Christians, Jews, or other pious peoples have no real choice but to tolerate said things that go against their morality or faith. However, tolerance is not the same thing as acceptance. For example. Many members tolerate the views of others on this site (there are a few exceptions, of course), but tolerating said views does not mean that they accept such views as factual or correct.

Yet you not only condone but support the absolute belief that all muslims are terrorists based on the fact a few are and the belief that none of the moderates do anything about it. So to sum up, all muslims are responsible for all muslim actions regardless but you xtians aren't in "your" society.

Quite fair of you.

commanderkai commanderkai:

There are exceptions, of course. Those who bomb abortion clinics because it goes against their religious beliefs, as one example. Those individuals who commit such actions are prosecuted by secular civic authorities, and more than likely marginalized by mainstream religious communities within the West.

Of course there are. The same kind of circular logic that states that not xtian can commit evil acts because no xtian ever would. BTW, did you read PA#9s reasoning? Quite revealing the number of xtians who seem to invalidate other xtians from being xtian based on crap. DK(whatever) seems to eliminate all catholics based on his belief. Quite revealing.

commanderkai commanderkai:

And how do we address our own? Lynch mobs? Vigilante justice? Stone a few pedophiles to death?

When Saudi Arabia crucified a man who molested a child then killed him and his father they were called savages and primates. They did what most of the people on this forum demand when somebody from our society does that. Understand yet?

commanderkai commanderkai:

We, in the West, address criminal issues using the system in place. We report crimes to police officers, we elect politicians that we hope will toughen laws against sexual offenders, we attempt to flesh out ideas and options to figure out better solutions to figure out how to resolve crime.

Yes, because that explains the reality that our society accepts sexualized children (or people for that matter) far more then their society. Hell back in the 80s they had controversy of the Minipops. Over and over in every form of media our society sexualizes children yet you guys cry about muslims?

commanderkai commanderkai:

Such is the wonder of a secular society. No doubt, if you want, we can go back to having the Bible as the source for our laws, and we could start punishing sins as crimes (as in, the way in a majority of Muslim states) or we can come to consensus to a solution, factoring in all views, no matter how extreme (ranging from executing pedophiles, to decriminalizing/legalizing of pedophilia).

Your complete idiocy and ignorance aside (about the bible no less) I would love to see you attempt it. Biblical laws would be so abhorrent in practice it might actually convince millions that its beliefs were equally abhorrent.

Tell me hot shot (assuming your "ignore" phase of me is over) what you think of orthodox jewish practices and law, especially concerning the male chauvinistic rules concerning divorce.

Not that you would ever criticize a foreign culture about their beliefs.

[Bacardi4206]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Well alcohol does affect the spelling. I know. However, your criticism is far off the mark. While you may personally have criticized the child lingerie and pageants our society at large accepts it.

A great many muslims do not accept child brides as it is a phenomenon confined to very tribal and uneducated regions kinda like backwater bush areas of the US coincidentally where country superstar Loretta Lynn grew up in and was married (and had sex BTW) by 13.

The truth is that our society has for almost its entire existence had "child brides" as a society standard because that was common place. Girls mature faster then boys and back then when they were fully capable of bearing young they were deemed of marrying age.

If you want to condemn muslims for supporting that then why don't we attack the slave owning fucking Americans? Long after their saviour jesus told slaves to accept being slaves they had them in spades. Sure some Americans "freed them" but it doesn't change the fact that they were among the last civilized nation on earth to dissolve slavery (aside from the racial tension that continued to plague them).

The main point is that what atrocities we see in their society is easily mirrored in our society. We think them immoral because of burkhas, or sharia (actually rare), or other religious stuff but they are perfectly able to view our society as equally immoral. In fact our own people often do just that.

BTW, the next time you think of what those awful muslims do I suggest you research the true reality of what the US has done, or more specifically the CIA sponsored stuff, to truly understand evil.

Even the historically verified evidence of what they did is beyond reprehension.

Our society allows pedofilia? Last time I checked, if you even own a picture of a child wearing anything sexual. You get thrown in jail, that's the laws of our society. I find it hard to believe that the laws of such society that you deem accepts pedofile would be responsable for imprisoning them for immoral action. The fact remains that while we do have our pedofiles and you are correct, in the U.S. there is a state that may allow underage marriage. However if you thought for one second that anybody from all the other states or other countries approves of it and accepts it just because they allow it over there. You'd be wrong.

Places like Texas are completly fucked up and backwards, to even begin trying to fix that state is mindboggling. However that is one state in the midst of how many countries? Even in there own country, well to put in short. One state amungst 49 other state? How do you even compare that to majority of the middle east? Generally any muslim country that is purely devote muslim. Where kids are socially marriaged off to 40 year olds. Even there own cousins. Where they have things like "honor killings". Where familys murder there own daughters and is not only socially acceptable but infact praised, even by there own family.

I am sure not every family or person who is muslim accepts this or supports it, however it is a very popular thing and is supported by a alot of people. As well, we do attack slave owning Americans. It's called white guilt and it's very popular now. Also last I checked, slavery was abolished and not every slave happened to be black. Slavery back then wasn't socially accepted, if it was. There wouldn't be a single soul willing to give up his own life to end it. Let alone a entire army. There was racism sure but people back than just so happened to know it was still wrong regardless.

I am sure they think our society is equally immoral, hell we even think we are immoral. I am not stating we are saints. However the difference is Derby, we imprison pedofiles. They give away there 9 year olds daughter's hand in marriage to them.