[N_Fiddledog]

Doc...I can only shake my head at you.

One does not "prove facts". One presents them to support an opinion.

Well some us do anyway. You'll just have to take my word for it. Either that or kick the habit of ignoring the obvious.

And no, advocacy groups do not work for free. They rake it in coming and going. Ask Barbara Hall. Ask Suzuki.

Who pays them? Well if you follow the money trail far enough it almost always leads to somebody called "the taxpayer."

[DrCaleb]

$1:

Project sponsors include the Muslim Council of Calgary and The Canadian Muslim Vote as project sponsors.

There's your answer.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

One does not "prove facts". One presents them to support an opinion.

One expresses an opinion. One may choose to provide things to back up those opinions. One defends their opinion using logic.

Those are the rules of logical argument that were established so many centuries ago.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

$1:

Project sponsors include the Muslim Council of Calgary and The Canadian Muslim Vote as project sponsors.

There's your answer.

Well, that certainly does raise some questions.

[N_Fiddledog]

I see so the "sponsors" for this project are Muslim advocacy groups.

And this supports your argument that the poll does not reek of advocacy, how exactly?"

My point in mentioning I didn't see where the money was coming from was it suggested it was an advocacy project rather than an objective poll.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I see so the "sponsors" for this project are Muslim advocacy groups.

And this supports your argument that the poll does not reek of advocacy, how exactly?"

My point in mentioning I didn't see where the money was coming from was it suggested it was an advocacy project rather than an objective poll.

Again, things I have not said.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

One does not "prove facts". One presents them to support an opinion.

One expresses an opinion. One may choose to provide things to back up those opinions. One defends their opinion using logic.

Those are the rules of logical argument that were established so many centuries ago.

There you go. Now you got it. Now you just have to learn how to do it.

Here's a suggestion. Watch and learn.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I see so the "sponsors" for this project are Muslim advocacy groups.

And this supports your argument that the poll does not reek of advocacy, how exactly?"

My point in mentioning I didn't see where the money was coming from was it suggested it was an advocacy project rather than an objective poll.

Again, things I have not said.

Wait a minute...

Are you saying you're not arguing with my opinion this Environics thing looks like an advocacy push poll in its presentation?

What are we arguing about then?

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I see so the "sponsors" for this project are Muslim advocacy groups.

And this supports your argument that the poll does not reek of advocacy, how exactly?"

My point in mentioning I didn't see where the money was coming from was it suggested it was an advocacy project rather than an objective poll.

Again, things I have not said.

Wait a minute...

Are you saying you're not arguing with my opinion this Environics thing looks like an advocacy push poll?

What are we arguing about then?

You are arguing. I am laughing.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You assume it's an 'advocacy' poll, when that assumes facts not in evidence. It could be, it could also be a genuine poll to find out what a segment of the population thinks. Without the methodology, there is no way to know.

Now we have methodology.

When you read the questions asked, they do not appear to be leading or biased. I do not believe this is an advocacy poll.

Example:

$1:

Thinking about Canada, overall, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in our country today?

The same questions were asked of both Muslims and Non-Muslims. That indicates to me there was no bias in forming the questions to get a particular answer.

[andyt]

How many non-Muslims did they survey?

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

How many non-Muslims did they survey?

1007 it looks like.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

How many non-Muslims did they survey?

1007 it looks like.

That gives a 3% confidence interval, 19 times out 20.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

So let me get this straight. You can't judge all Muslims by the words and actions of a few. Unless of course it's a survey with "positive" results", then 600 Muslims obviously speak for the million or so that live here.

[andyt]

Another statistics dolt.

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

Another statistics dolt.

Well,, you are the expert on being a dolt. But whereas PA9 might be just a statistics dolt you are a dolt in every subject you care to subject us with your "unbiased wisdom".