[whiskeyjack]

ok never mind

[DrCaleb]

Try addressing a bank teller with your face covered, and see if there is no law against it.

[whiskeyjack]

ill use my ski mask

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

:P

Try addressing a bank teller with your face covered, and see if there is no law against it.

Is there a law against that? I know if France a couple of guys robbed a bank dressed in burkas. Presumably there the law was OK with burkas in banks. Do we really have a law against it?

[kenmore]

whiskeyjack whiskeyjack:

Id like to see your face when i deal with you.... Theres no law saying you have to show it to me, but id appreciate it. Just like when im driving on the highway and the oncoming traffic switches off their high beams.... theres no law saying they have to turn off the high beams when i pass them but they still do it out of courtesy.... Something these dense muslims dont get

Hmm. check the traffic act.. you can be fined for high beams.. I was on highway 2 outside of Cornwall Ontario.. it was a cop who was coming in the opposite direction.

[Bodah]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Guys, this is being defended by the Quebec politicians on exactly the same grounds as 101. It's not a coincedence that Quebec is the leader on this...the political tradition around "preserving their culture" runs deep and that's what's driving this.

Why is it then that alot of people here that disagree with bill 101, agree with Quebec on this one. Shouldn't that be an indication to you that in their part of Canada they feel the same way about the Nijab. You can put all the culture labels you want on it. The fact is alot of people outside of Quebec feel the same way. There are no language laws outside of Quebec, but there are people wearing tents outdoors outside of Quebec, sinking in yet ? We want other provinces to do the same, Federal level would be even better. English Canada has culture as well believe it or not.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Public opinion in Quebec is far stronger on this subject than in English Canada,

No it isn't its the same. Look at the people here mostly anglo's saying Bravo Quebec, Americans too I should add, its just that the rest of the country (medi/politicians) are sadly pussies when it comes to this issue.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

It's the same premise as Bill 101 and enacted for the exact same reasons.

Preserveration of a Language and stating what's socially acceptable attire wise in public are two different things. Especially when the attire represents, the degredation of women, fear, fuck you to integration, radicalism and security risks galore oh and in this case unable to learn a language properly.

To me that's not about a small segment of ethnocentric lunatics enforcing their will, its about common sense in the west.

[GreenTiger]

I still would like to see one of the Canadian Hotties wear a biqab and almost nothing else, why not have some humor at the expense of this lunatic fringe.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ASLplease ASLplease:

So was this lady's teacher a neccessary lip reader? and even if the teacher was, is that cause to expel the student?

I think not.

I agree. I'm not arguing for the expulsion. I simply put forth a hypothetical where the niqab would be a hindrance.

when it comes down to it, I am probably against the practise of a niqab.

HOWEVER, If the Quebec government was truly against the way the Niqab is associated to a violation of human rights, then I would suggest that they go out of their way to educate the women, provide them with the tools and skills to learn about human rights

[ASLplease]

I see no harm in teaching them french, but replace the required reading with the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms.

[Brenda]

ASLplease ASLplease:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ASLplease ASLplease:

So was this lady's teacher a neccessary lip reader? and even if the teacher was, is that cause to expel the student?

I think not.

I agree. I'm not arguing for the expulsion. I simply put forth a hypothetical where the niqab would be a hindrance.

when it comes down to it, I am probably against the practise of a niqab.

HOWEVER, If the Quebec government was truly against the way the Niqab is associated to a violation of human rights, then I would suggest that they go out of their way to educate the women, provide them with the tools and skills to learn about human rights

That is all in the guide you are assumed to have read before you apply for your visa.

[EyeBrock]

Bodah has some good points. A straw poll of Ontario residents views on the Niqab, Hijab/Burkha would be no different than in Quebec. The major difference between the two provinces is that Quebec politicians have a free-pass on nationalism, in fact it's encouraged.

In Ontario we are not afforded such luxury. We are firmly stuck in the 'we have no culture' mode, add into that 'everybody elses culture and heritage should be celebrated, except Canada's...' and you have what is going on in Ontario.

I think many of us are jealous that Quebec can actually stand up for it's culture and heritage while the rest of us are force fed the same PC BS we have had to endure for several decades.

[raydan]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think many of us are jealous that Quebec can actually stand up for it's culture and heritage while the rest of us are force fed the same PC BS we have had to endure for several decades.

Checks to see if hell is frozen over.



I'm not making fun of that statement, Eyebrock, but it did give me a chuckle.
True though, Canadians could use a bit more sense of identity.
How can you protect something that you don't have.

[EyeBrock]

Hell hasn't froze ray!

I have been educated by guys like you, Macdonail, Pimp Brewski, kenmore etc.
I think that people outside of Quebec should wake up and try and preserve what we have left and look at celebrating our long heritage.

Lets try not to focus on the past 20 years of enforced 'heritage' and look instead at our long and proud history.

Political Correctness and mandated thought-police are not going to replace what really happened and how we really feel.

Ontario, stop being scared and stop spouting the BS lines. Real discussion is required.

Vive La Quebec!

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

:P

Try addressing a bank teller with your face covered, and see if there is no law against it.

Is there a law against that? I know if France a couple of guys robbed a bank dressed in burkas. Presumably there the law was OK with burkas in banks. Do we really have a law against it?

A written 'law', no. It's more of a social 'custom', like yelling 'car' when you're playing road hockey. Which is my point. The guys in uniforms with guns are going to ask you to uncover your face {remove your hat, take off the dark glasses} before getting in line at the bank. And they are then going to cast an extra vigilant eye on you during your stay.

People can accept the 'social custom', or choose to use alternate forms of banking.

[raydan]

I worked in banks for 23 years.
There is no written law to uncover your face, but we did warn a few people to remove their full-face motorcycle or ski-do helmet when they entered.

14 armed robberies makes you kinda skittish about these things.

I never did see someone come in with a burka, though.