[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

Ah yes, that old BS. Is the US on the verge of a Communist revolution? Is Obama planning a system of industrialized genocide?

To think that today a gun is going to keep the government from repressing you is lunacy. If the government wants to take your rights away it'll do it by an act of Congress not with a martial law. All the desk jockeys who put on camo pants and shoot at paper targets of Obama on the weekend are deluding themselves to think that they're "protecting their freedom"

I like the ol` Thomas Jefferson quote...

“Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who do not.”

But hey, if you enjoyed that graphic here`s a couple more for your entertainment.

[andyt]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Shouldn't you add Canada to your list of commies? We have less guns/capita and way more restrictive laws. We also have way less gun murders/capita than the US. Oh, don't forget Britain, where after the Dublane massacre they really clamped down on guns and saw a huge drop in gun murders.

[Gunnair]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Interesting in an irrelevantly emotive sort of way. That tired old chestnut is always hauled out in times of duress to stoke the irrational fears of the terminally paranoid.

But, your country, not mine. At some point someone will make a cute little emotive poster with 20 dead children and six dead adults that tried to defend them to also dumb down the national dialogue to its most polarized level.

As I said, your country. The rest of us just sit back and watch the horrific reality show being peddled here. Like Here Comes Honey Boo Boo writ national really.

[xerxes]

andyt andyt:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Shouldn't you add Canada to your list of commies? We have less guns/capita and way more restrictive laws. We also have way less gun murders/capita than the US. Oh, don't forget Britain, where after the Dublane massacre they really clamped down on guns and saw a huge drop in gun murders.

Yes, I'm waiting to hear that explained myself. Why is it countries like Australia, Japan, Germany and the UK have gun-murder rates counted often in the teens? They can't all be Communist dictatorships.

[andyt]

xerxes xerxes:

andyt andyt:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Shouldn't you add Canada to your list of commies? We have less guns/capita and way more restrictive laws. We also have way less gun murders/capita than the US. Oh, don't forget Britain, where after the Dublane massacre they really clamped down on guns and saw a huge drop in gun murders.

Yes, I'm waiting to hear that explained myself. Why is it countries like Australia, Japan, Germany and the UK have gun-murder rates counted often in the teens? They can't all be Communist dictatorships.

Well, they're socialist countries (as is every country except the US), so they're just dictatorships in waiting. One day, those people will wake up to tanks in the streets, but, since they're deprived of their semi-automatic rifles and handguns will just have to meekly accept the new boss instead of going all Red Dawn on his ass.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

Shouldn't you add Canada to your list of commies? We have less guns/capita and way more restrictive laws. We also have way less gun murders/capita than the US. Oh, don't forget Britain, where after the Dublane massacre they really clamped down on guns and saw a huge drop in gun murders.

It`s kind of apples to oranges when you start comparing countries. Things like cultural, historical, and population density factors come into play. However...

$1:

there is no convincing evidence that registering firearms has been effective in reducing either homicide rates overall, or spousal murders in particular. Even though homicide rates have been gradually falling since the 1970s, a wide variety of researchers have been unable to find solid evidence linking gun laws to this decline. Changing demographics, not firearms laws, better explain the decline in homicides involving long guns over the past 20 years. It is difficult to argue that Canadian gun laws are effective when homicide rates have dropped faster in the United States than in Canada since 1991.¸

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... never-did/

You can create one argument using a strict gun law country like Japan, but show similar lack of gun violence by using a slack gun law country like Israel or Switzerland.

I think rate of increase or decline in gun crime in a particular country after the enactment of gun laws might be a better indicator.

The rate of gun crimes actually rose (in fact doubled to 2004) following the gun laws enacted after the UK, Dunblane massacre in 1996, then leveled out.

http://www.alphapatriot.com/wp-content/ ... -to-02.jpg

Admittedly though, you can do tricky things with stats. For example I was reading one bragging about how UK gun homicides dropped in 2011 from 2010, but that ignores the fact there was another UK mass murder after Dunblane in 2010. See what they did there.

[ShepherdsDog]

If you look at places that have lax gun laws, such as Switzerland and Israel, where virtually everyone is a member of the military reserves, and the US, it makes you wonder. Switzerland has a very low death rate as a result of firearms and the US a very high one. It's more of a reflection on the people in those countries. Swiss people seem to be sane and Americans comes off as less than sane. It's not the guns that are the problem it's the people.

[N_Fiddledog]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

If you look at places that have lax gun laws, such as Switzerland and Israel, where virtually everyone is a member of the military reserves, and the US, it makes you wonder. Switzerland has a very low death rate as a result of firearms and the US a very high one. It's more of a reflection on the people in those countries. Swiss people seem to be sane and Americans comes off as less than sane. It's not the guns that are the problem it's the people.

Yeah, sorry about that. That's kind of what I was trying to say, but as I reread I realize it's not very clear.

I'd add this though. When you look at the stats it's a very small percentage of licensed, American, gun owners creating problems. Miniscule even. The country is founded on the idea of individual freedom with personal responsibility. The problem with that is the second part of the equation. When you have freedom the irresponsible will take advantage.

For some it's the price they pay for the culture of freedom they choose.

[N_Fiddledog]

[bootlegga]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

[Zipperfish]

Gunnair Gunnair:

But, your country, not mine. At some point someone will make a cute little emotive poster with 20 dead children and six dead adults that tried to defend them to also dumb down the national dialogue to its most polarized level.

Egg-zack-ly.

[Prof_Chomsky]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

In fact Canada has more guns per capita than the US.

Not true...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_ ... by_country

$1:

But man killers, handguns and semi autos are all but non existent here.

Also not true.

"Semiautomatic firearms described by firearm prohibitionists as �military assault weapons� are not used by any military anywhere in the world. They use ammunition less powerful than the .30-06 and other more traditional �big game� cartridges. There is no evidence that �military style� semiautomatic guns are disproportionately used in crime: less than 1.5% of all homicides in Canada involves this type of firearm. Semiautomatic rifles patterned after state-of-the-art firearm technology are popular with over one-quarter of all responsible Canadian gun owners because they offer increased reliability and durability. No functional difference exists between semiautomatics based on sporting rifles and shotguns commercially available before 1910 and those of today.

Semiautomatics that externally resemble automatic firearms are difficult to convert to automatic. Under Canadian law such a conversion is illegal and subject to a ten year jail term."

"While it is true that robbery is the most common violent crime involving guns, three-quarters of all robberies in Canada do not involve firearms. Canadian crime statistics show that handguns are used in 80% of all firearm robberies; the most common firearm used in violent crime."

http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/tenmyths.html

here comes the washed stats...
72% of Canadian homes have guns less than 50% do in the USA. Sure gun nuts skew the per capita... We can't carry guns most anywhere and can never carry hand guns. My uncle owns one and has to call the cops with his route to the gun club each time he takes it out of the home. It must remained locked enroute.
And you can't argue Canada has the same gun violence as the USA. So either were just nicer and more evolved or you have a control issue. http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politics/ ... index.html

[xerxes]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

If you look at places that have lax gun laws, such as Switzerland and Israel, where virtually everyone is a member of the military reserves, and the US, it makes you wonder. Switzerland has a very low death rate as a result of firearms and the US a very high one. It's more of a reflection on the people in those countries. Swiss people seem to be sane and Americans comes off as less than sane. It's not the guns that are the problem it's the people.

Israel doesn't exactly have lax gun laws.

$1:

Unlike in the United States, where the right to bear arms is guaranteed in the Constitution’s Second Amendment, Israel’s department of public security considers gun ownership a privilege, not a right. Gun owners in Israel are limited to owning one pistol, and must undergo extensive mental and physical tests before they can receive a weapon, and gun owners are limited to 50 rounds of ammunition per year.

[andyt]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

And you can't argue Canada has the same gun violence as the USA. So either were just nicer and more evolved or you have a control issue.

Yes.

[BartSimpson]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... et-Service

Obama's daughters attend a school that has eleven armed guards. If it's good enough for his kids then why not anyone else's?